reply to post by dunwichwitch
Lots of good posts but I don't have time right now to reply to anything other than the OP. The only other thing I will say is that Sonya and GENERAL
EYES, I agree with you.
OP, you said it yourself that 'poor' people either
have just had bad luck and not accumulated much or not had as much motivation
Bad luck can befall anyone, if you believe in that sort of thing, but I will address the lack of motivation you mentioned. In your opinion, middle
class people "actually blame these people for taking what little they can get, calling them selfish." Now how is it selfish to be angry that people
who, suffer only from a lack of motivation and see it as their right in life to take all they can get from people who do not suffer from a "lack of
motivation", steal from those who work hard no matter the state of their motivation?
This is the biggest pile of crap I have ever read. Talk about blaming the victims...You're blaming the people who are forced by the threat of federal
prison to provide for the lowest rungs of society that their wards don't bother to do anything with themselves because they're not motivated.
Employers are more racist and judgmental of past offenses than they would lead the "average" person to believe
Again, you are blaming the provider. Employers have every right to not want criminals working in their establishment and continuing their pattern by
stealing from them at the first chance. They are running a business, not a charity. They are trying to make a living so they can provide for their own
family and not take the money out of their countrymen's pockets to do it. If people want to be employable...here's a thought, don't become a
criminal. There is nothing racist about a businessman protecting his investment in his and his family's livelihood.
inner city schools don't really provide kids with the adequate education and opportunities to move ahead that suburban schools do
If these schools don't teach much, it should be that much easier to get A's and get into tech school or college. If a kid really wanted to stay off
the streets, the library is open until at least 8pm so it shouldn't be too hard to supplement one's education for free and avoid the gangs at the
same time. No, it's not as easy as ditching school and picking up a welfare check, but it will make life better in the long run.
Real life is not "To Sir, With Love". Underneath the tough exterior is not a heart of gold. If kids found their own education inadequate they would
take such measures as I mentioned to supplement it. If parents found their childrens' educations inadequate they would take the same measures. No, we
are talking about people who just don't care.
You may say you've worked hard for what you earn, and that only the strong survive, and that you're not gunna help these people who aren't helping
themselves... but that's not very humanly or social or communal of you.
And? sc2099 is not a charity or a piggy bank to be plundered. sc2099 is NOT part of a commune. sc2099 is a person who sees fit to donate to charities
that she chooses and help people she believes are deserving of it. Opening oneself up to the plunder of the "have nots" is not what makes a person
"social" or "humanly", whatever that means; on the contrary, it is only the preference of being a victim in life rather than a victor that forces
people to donate their wellbeing to others, or in other words self-loathing. Being a productive member of the community. Working hard. Raising a
family. Contributing. These are the things that make the fabric of society, not selling drugs, popping out kids unable to be cared for, taking,
taking, taking, and taking, or allowing oneself to be taken advantage of by such people.
Too many people are hording their earnings in this modern society,
...Which is theirs to do with what they see fit. Their net worth is theirs, not yours, not mine, not the government's to redistribute.
and I don't see anything very social about that.
Yes, creating jobs which feed families, increase quality of life, and help others achieve their dreams is not helpful at all. Keeping the engine of
the world turning is absolutely useless, and downright selfish.
I don't see much motivation in money, and pretty soon, I may be out on the streets
Well at least you are man enough to admit that it is your own doing and not blame it on "the rich". Although I wonder if your attitude will change
when you actually don't have food in your belly and ATS to complain to.
That includes having compassion for the poor and the weak. They want the same things we all do, and itis up to US, not the government, to give
EVERYONE a fair opportunity to make their life what they want it to be.
Wait...I thought you just said that these people WEREN'T motivated by the need for security and comfort that motivates the rest of us, which is why
they just can't force themselves to work. So now you're saying that they are motivated by these things, but that it forces them to steal instead of
And here we get to the heart of the problem. People like this have the same wants and desires as everyone else...but they are too effing lazy to go
out and get it without stealing, either directly from peoples' homes and wallets, or indirectly from their taxes.
So they do want the same things as us after all. Glad you got that sorted out. But you are incorrect, it is not "society's" or the government or
anyone's responsibility to ensure a person's happiness but that person himself. Life today is fairer than it ever has been in history, and if we can
keep people from taking advantage of us, it will be even fairer in the future. Each person is his own keeper and his own responsibility.
And to preclude anyone from jumping in with some "you're mindcontrolled by the NWO" BS, just know that I used to be like you. I used to not mind
that people were bent over by the government to "help others". Then I got a job. Then I moved out of my parents' house. Then I paid for my own time
at University. I only had to get this far before I realized that it's not my or anyone else's place to decide how others should spend their
Edit to add: I am now middle-class but growing up my family was working-poor.
Also, when I refer to the poor people brought up by the OP as 'they', I do not mean all poor people, or all welfare recipients. There are plenty of
poor people who do not accept welfare, and there are plenty of people on welfare temporarily or who really do need it. None of my points refer to
either of these two groups.
[edit on 9/11/2008 by sc2099]