Originally posted by skyshow
BTW, I have never said the dems were a bunch of angels, but what I did say is that there is massive evidence of fraud and tampering and we aught to
want to get to the bottom of it and get it stopped. The first step I think would be in having the international election inspectors brought back in
to supervise the process. The second step would be to get rid of all electronic machines period because there is way too much room for tampering and
with no paper trail to verify it's open season. Thirdly, our media needs to get more aggressive on this issue.
[edit on 14-9-2008 by skyshow]
There's where we differ. First, while I distrust electronic ballots, the truth is that the ONLY way to have a valid election in is to throw out the
secret ballot altogether. Secret ballots were forbidden in the original colonies and states up through the election of 1884, because they were
thought to invite fraud. The rise of "political privacy" gave us modern ballot tampering. It came to us as a corollary of the argument that you
should not have jury trial by your peers, but by people who were personally strangers to you. These two "protections" basically destroyed civic
community and responsibility. But that's for another thread.
Second I don't believe that either of the last two presidential elections, nor the previous congressional contests, was materially affected by fraud.
You sound convinced that it "explains" any republican victories. I disagree. But I think the Republicans were well on their way to losing THIS
election cycle, because they have departed from the conservative ideals of the Reagan revolution. I think that McCain alone did not appeal to many
conservatives--he certainly didn't energize them. I think a lot of Reaganites (like me), see palin as someone who would at least be a voice of
moderation on the GOP's spending spree and interventionist stances domestically and internationally.
Third. I don't see Europe as some sort of ideal that we ought to strive for. They have a deep dislike for American conservatives. They hated
Reagan, and they hate all forms of exceptionalism other than the European variety. The idea of us copying their government, their welfare states, or
their election styles is just laughable. In short, Europe is not my ideal; it is what's going wrong with America.
The international elections inspectors are going to find fault with any system that doesn't automatically produce an internationalist-socialist
outcome. Most of them are outspoken critics of the US electoral college, which is the only reason this country never gave in to the Fascism that
overwhelmed the parliaments of Europe and Latin America in the 1930's.
Why would anyone look to foreigners with such a clear streak of disdain for us, to supervise our electoral process?
You may have an inferiority complex regarding Europe, but I don't. Their civilization is collapsing around them, and their only response it to blame
America. Already in much of Europe's capitals, it isn't safe for a European to visit the cultural icons of that civilization because they are
surrounded by immagrant ghettos. Sharia law is already being imposed in England and France, but to question this is considered "hate speech."
Pro-muslim political violence threatens members of parliament in the Netherlands, but saying so makes you a racist. Europeans are losing the last
vestiges of sovereignity; so no, I don't consider them valid election judges for us. Not only has Europe lost the will to lead, it has lost the
ability to propogate it's own society for one more generation.
Within our lifetimes, Europe as we have known it will cease to exist. If you want some REALLY shocking reading, try Oswald Spengler's The Decline
of the West
. It was written ninety years ago, and practically every one of your political icons has read it many times over.
all the best.