Public Allies = Obama Bootcamp, page 1
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Topic started on 9-9-2008 @ 11:16 PM by SectionEight
Heard of Public Allies? Are you young? Then with an Obama presidency get ready for bootcamp and indoctinization.

www.ibdeditorials.com...

We have a national guard, why does Obama want to create a civilian paramillitary security force as well funded and equiped as the millitary?

Is it perhaps that the main past time of these Public Allies is to protest when not soaking up taxpayer money for "community organizing". That's right, we pay them to organize the very protests that will bully their agendas into public policy all the while being protected by a brownshirt police force that we the taxpayers foot the bill for.

Seig Heil Obama Youth, Seig Heil.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 09:22 AM by The Cyfre
reply to post by SectionEight


" *Senator Clinton hosted a White House reception for Public Allies in April, 1993, and has been a champion of Public Allies and national service. Senator McCain has also been a great champion of national service and has introduced legislation to expand AmeriCorps by more than 200%." Source

So it looks like Obama, Clinton AND McCain all pretty much feel the same way about this kind of national service. Why focus solely on Obama? Oh that's right, you're on a mission. I forgot.

It's really important to be objective, you know? It's really important to take your blinders off. You're not a pony in a parade, you should take your blinders off.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 11:56 AM by The Cyfre
reply to post by LLoyd45


You brought up a good point about what exactly he means when he says just as powerful, just as strong, but there is no reason for these people to have weapons of any kind, you know? A community organizer and a soldier can be strong, but have different strengths.

I Obama has a lot of good ideas but he loses people when he tries to explain them. He generally takes a more philosophical approach, a more rhetorical approach to things and I think that ultimately does him a disservice because his point is lost in the translation.

In a perfect world i'd like to see community action groups with as much funding as the military. They obviously wouldn't be spending their budget the same was as the military does, but they could be just as strong as the military in a parallel sort of way.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 01:55 PM by SectionEight
reply to post by The Cyfre


You are totally discounting one important prhase "civillian national security force".
All security forces are trained to use force. To use force you need weapons. Your wishfull thinking discounts the entirety of what he said, you are only translating the "powerfull" and "equipped" words.
Couple all this with mandatory service and you have the Hitler youth program all over again. That is not an exageration.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 02:39 PM by The Cyfre
Originally posted by SectionEight
You are totally discounting one important prhase "civillian national security force".


I wasn't discounting the phrase, I was completely ignoring it because of the grossly inaccurate context in which you are attempting to spin it.

Originally posted by SectionEight
All security forces are trained to use force. To use force you need weapons.


A force can be described as an exertion of strength or control. It can also be defined as any body of persons combined for joint action, which is the CORRECT context.

Obama's plan includes:

Expand AmeriCorps from 75k to 250k slots.
Establish a Classroom Corps to help teachers and students, with a priority placed on undeserved schools
A Health Corps to improve public health outreach
A Clean Energy Corps to conduct weatherization and renewable energy projects
A Veterans Corps to assist veterans at hospitals, nursing homes and homeless shelters
A Homeland Security Corps to help communities plan, prepare for and respond to emergencies
Double Peace Corps to 16k by 2011
America's Voice Initiative to send Americans who are fluent speakers of local languages to expand our public diplomacy.

So which of these groups of volunteers are going to be given firearms again?

Originally posted by SectionEight
Your wishfull thinking discounts the entirety of what he said, you are only translating the "powerfull" and "equipped" words.


I think our miscommunication here is that you're spinning those words and not doing the required research in order to understand what Obama is actually talking about. But that's okay. You anti's are cute like that.

Originally posted by SectionEight
Couple all this with mandatory service and you have the Hitler youth program all over again. That is not an exageration.


Maybe i'm wrong here, but all of this is voluntary. There is nothing mandatory about it. But you are right, it is not an exaggeration. It is a complete lie that you're spreading, once again.

I'd suggest that you actually take a look at Obama's issues. They're right there for your viewing pleasure on his website. Then, when you're finished, maybe you can come back and actually touch on some legitimate concerns rather than this fear-mongering.


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 04:59 PM by SectionEight
reply to post by The Cyfre


Wow now that is some spin.

You needed to absolutely deny the civillian security force in order to create your spinned up version. Well, that is not what is on the public record.

Also Bob Barr knows Obama said mandatory service. Your spin conveniently denies this also.
Source,
rongstad.blogspot.com...
You can read Obama's quote there on mandatory service and Bob Barrs response to it.

The topic of the thread is the hidden corp, the Public Allies organization that Obama is to afraid too put front and center, even though he helped found it and his wife heads it. It is too controversial so he only mentions the peace corp. The leftwing media is in on his dirty little secret by covering it up also.


[edit on 10-9-2008 by SectionEight]


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 07:04 PM by The Cyfre
Originally posted by SectionEight
You needed to absolutely deny the civillian security force in order to create your spinned up version. Well, that is not what is on the public record.


I actually went into pretty good detail about the civilian security force. My "spinned up" version is taken directly from the horse's mouth. I provided a link incase you ever feel like checking it out.

Originally posted by SectionEight
Also Bob Barr knows Obama said mandatory service. Your spin conveniently denies this also. You can read Obama's quote there on mandatory service and Bob Barrs response to it.


Again, if you actually go to Obama's website you'll see that you're right. 100 hours is MANDATORY for college student. Of course, you failed to mention that it's only mandatory for those college students who want to receive a tax credit worth 4k. SE, i love it when you leave stuff out. You're like my wife's cousin. I should start calling you breadcrumbs because that's all you give us!

Originally posted by SectionEight
The topic of the thread is the hidden corp, the Public Allies organization that Obama is to afraid too put front and center, even though he helped found it and his wife heads it. It is too controversial so he only mentions the peace corp. The leftwing media is in on his dirty little secret by covering it up also.


Okay, lemme get this straight. Obama is too afraid to say he's going to force people to volunteer for protesting, and he's going to give them guns and brown shirts. BUT i shouldn't bother trying to actually find any evidence of this because Obama and the left wing media are in on the conspiracy and are thus covering it up?

Please. Back to the drawing board with you.


[edit on 10-9-2008 by SectionEight]


reply posted on 10-9-2008 @ 08:26 PM by The Cyfre
reply to post by crimvelvet


THAT is a legitimate concern and one that has a great deal of legitimate evidence to back it up. These are the kinds of issues we should be talking about. I have been saying for months now that there is no need to make stuff up about Obama because there are plenty of reasons to question his goals.

I don't want to get off topic so i'll patiently await the next response of the OP. Thanks!
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