Obama The Sexist: You Can Put Lipstick On A Pig, page 2

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reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:03 PM by loam

My personal favorite:

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years.

"We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington. And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."

Love the references to all things aging and rotting.

Make no mistake, the choice of words in all three quotes are INTENTIONAL.

This is not Obama's finest hour. When you take the lipstick, rotting fish and five kids jab...he really does secure the view he is no different.

[edit on 9-9-2008 by loam]

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:04 PM by bknapple32

reply to post by jetxnet

jet... really? Obama was the one to change the analogy to lipstick on a pig?

Straws people... straws.....

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:04 PM by mabus325

reply to post by jetxnet

This is what you call damage control.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:05 PM by skeptic1

reply to post by jamie83

So, according to you, he's either clueless or sexist? Then, don't vote for him.

Isn't this the exact political baiting we are trying to get away from?

The general public (us here on this board....for the most part) are smarter than these yahoos that are running for office. Can we try to act like it?? All of this is getting old.....

I still contend he was speaking of McCain's version of change (or perceived lack thereof), not Palin in particular.

There are bigger issues, people, than who puts their foot in their mouth more.....BIGGER ISSUES...REAL ISSUES!!

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:05 PM by SectionEight

What an implosion. I thought it would come from his army of hired bloggers but to come from his own lips, I am astounded.
Armies of lawyers and hired hitmen with cameras sent to Alaska, all the hitpieces that have been swiping at thin air against Palin, recent huge gaffs like the "my muslim faith", now this. This tops Dukakis, Gary Heart and Howard Dean all rolled up at once.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:07 PM by mabus325

reply to post by jetxnet

Here is another quote, courtesy of ABC News' Jake Tapper

blogs.abcnews.com...

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:07 PM by jamie83

Originally posted by bknapple32

jamie, I had more faith in you. But on this topic, Ive lost it.

I'll live.

If you really think this is a sexist comment, then I think politics has clouded your vision. For that Im sorry.

Maybe you're right. I think the sexist thing might or might not be accurate. But in any case I think he was definitely talking about Palin.

and the quote you added, I already put in my fist post here, thats definitely not sexist.

Hes commending her for raising 5 kids. An accomplishment as parent in this world. Wheres the sexism?

Sheesh, talk about reaching......

I think the second part is totally sexist and playing to the statements people are making about Palin being able to be VP and raise kids at the same time. You would have to be living in a cave not to realize the extent of these criticisms.

Obama was reinforcing the notion that she can't be POTUS and a mother. That's sexist. It's not reaching at all.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:07 PM by bknapple32

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i thought for sure jamie would stick to the pact that we would raise the level of discourse here, but if this is viewed as sexist to jaime, then i am done debating with that poster. I find it ridiculous that this has even gotten a few responses defending the OP and attacking obama.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:09 PM by Fromabove

In my opinion Obama called Sarah Palin an ungly pig, and John McCain stinking old. It was insulting, and though he may try to explain it all away, the world knows exactly what he meant. And this will be his political suicide.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:11 PM by jetxnet

i thought for sure jamie would stick to the pact that we would raise the level of discourse here, but if this is viewed as sexist to jaime, then i am done debating with that poster. I find it ridiculous that this has even gotten a few responses defending the OP and attacking obama.

For someone who is obviously Liberal and an Obama supporter, your argument is to say it wasn't sexist, when indeed it was.

Why not just admit it? Is it easier to not defend Obama's desparate smear attacks at Palin, but rather say he meant something else?

It's rediculous to claim otherwise as it is more than obvious what Obama was trying to imply.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:12 PM by Kernel Korn

Originally posted by jamie83
Let me break it down for you...

A couple of weeks ago Obama had a big lead.

McCain picked Palin as VP.

Palin had 40 million people watch her destroy everything about Obama's persona -his styrofoam columns, his memoirs vs. laws, his wife's lack of pride in her country, his parting of the waters, etc.

The Kernel would like to thank you for reminding me of the "issues" of past days that have been overshone by Palin's nomination. They needed to be revisited? If so, please, don't forget the one about him being the anti-Christ. That's killer in states like mine.

It was either a sexist cheap shot, or easily perceived as one. If the former, it says something about his character. If the latter, it says something about him being so clueless that he didn't realize he would be labeled a sexist for this comment. Either way, he looks bad.

Get it?

The Kernel gets it. He'll be voting according to his political bent. The Kernel also dislikes those that would try to buy, curry, scare, etc. his vote. Very unbecoming and insulting.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:14 PM by jetxnet

In my opinion Obama called Sarah Palin an ungly pig, and John McCain stinking old. It was insulting, and though he may try to explain it all away, the world knows exactly what he meant. And this will be his political suicide.

True and it also coincides with Obama's explanation as to why McCain doesn't like him (or his supporters) in an earlier speech - "Because .. i'm Black?"

Another lame attempt to discredit his opponent. It's how he won his Senate election, but will lose this election. He set his sights a little to high this time for that kind of BS.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:14 PM by skeptic1

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Then, if you can deduct that, then I can turn around and deduct that Obama hates animals.....I mean, discussing putting chemicals on a poor piggys snout and wrapping a poor elderly trout in newspaper to suffocate!!! How dare he?!?!?!

I guess it is a matter of opinion....

I read what he said, and took the time to notice that when he said "putting lipstick on a pig" was preceded by a phrase about.....CHANGE.

And, what he said about wrapping an old fish in newspaper was preceded by a phrase about.....CHANGE.

So, I deduct he was talking about.....CHANGE.

Poor choice of words? Yes.
Easily twisted? Yes.
Matter of interpretation? Maybe.
Meant as an obvious insult to Palin and McCain? More than likely not.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:16 PM by loam

reply to post by bknapple32

You have to admit this language isn't very smart for Obama. In fact, it damages him tremendously.

Wouldn't he have been better served by simply stating McCain/Palin, however well intentioned, do not understand change? That message is much stronger, without the implied insults.

The divide between Obama the candidate and Obama the myth widens, imo.

[edit on 9-9-2008 by loam]

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:17 PM by jetxnet

Please Review This Link

[edit on 10-9-2008 by MemoryShock]

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:19 PM by Fromabove

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by Fromabove

Then, if you can deduct that, then I can turn around and deduct that Obama hates animals.....I mean, discussing putting chemicals on a poor piggys snout and wrapping a poor elderly trout in newspaper to suffocate!!! How dare he?!?!?!

I guess it is a matter of opinion....

I read what he said, and took the time to notice that when he said "putting lipstick on a pig" was preceded by a phrase about.....CHANGE.

And, what he said about wrapping an old fish in newspaper was preceded by a phrase about.....CHANGE.

So, I deduct he was talking about.....CHANGE.

Poor choice of words? Yes.
Easily twisted? Yes.
Matter of interpretation? Maybe.
Meant as an obvious insult to Palin and McCain? More than likely not.

Obama is clearly upset that McCain is using the "change" motto where once it had been the Obama mantra. How else can one see what he said as innocent in any way? I know how I took it, and probably a lot of people as well. I thought it was low... even for Obama.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:20 PM by Kernel Korn

Originally posted by jetxnet
True and it also coincides with Obama's explanation as to why McCain doesn't like him (or his supporters) in an earlier speech - "Because .. i'm Black?"

Another lame attempt to discredit his opponent. It's how he won his Senate election, but will lose this election. He set his sights a little to high this time for that kind of BS.

Why do you stress it? Check your signature. He's "lying", thus he's saying nothing that should offend you then.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:21 PM by skeptic1

reply to post by jetxnet

Please don't tell me that you thought I was serious about his hating animals?? We really need a sacasm emoticon around here....

My point is that you can deduct what you want from what he said. Some will see it as a slam against McCain and Palin. Others will read what he actually said and notice he might have been talking about change or the lack thereof from his opponents.

If you support him, you will view it one way; if you support them, you will view it another way.

I am by no means an Obama supporter...at all. But, read what he said, see the phrases that came before his "expressions" and don't just "assume" what he meant.

It was a poor choice of words, a choice of words that is easliy twisted. But, I don't think it was a deliberate slam at McCain or Palin.

You have your opinion and I have mine. We can agree to disagree on what someone else meant.

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reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:21 PM by JacKatMtn

OK folks,

I just wanted to chime in here BEFORE it goes TOO far.

Keep the emotions in check,

It is very obvious that this topic can be construed a variety of different ways, depending on each of your viewpoints and positions.

Please, Let's keep it civil

Whether the quote was intentional, or bad tiiming, let's not resort to attacking each other over this issue.

There will be PLENTY of MORE IMPORTANT discussions to be had as we close in on November.

I want to see ALL of YOU here throughout this election season, all sides and voices are important.

Consider this a preemptive post.

reply posted on 9-9-2008 @ 07:27 PM by jetxnet