World wants Obama as president: poll, page 7
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reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 06:07 PM by Sublime620
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You are speaking as if governments were the ones polled. The general public does not micro analyze things in the way you are suggesting.

Also, you stated that "the rest of the worlds opinion means nothing because the world's opiinion, as it is today, is in direct conflict with the national interests of the US" when it came to Iraq. Forgetting how arrogant that statement is, it's completely wrong.

It's not in the United State's interest. Over half of the country, for instance, does not agree that Iraq was ever in our interest. So that statement is misleading and wrong.

You also said: "for the rest of the world to think Obama would somehow champion their national interests over that of the US is preposterous at best."

And therein lies the heart of the issue. These people are only looking out for themselves in a much broader frame of mind. They, like many of the US, just want a more accountable administration. A change of scenery.

When you discredit and belittle these people's opinions, you are doing the same to half of your own country.


reply posted on 14-9-2008 @ 06:20 PM by SectionEight
reply to post by Sublime620




You are equating national interest with popularity, that is not how it works. A national interest such as energy or strategic millitary alliances will be a national interest worth acting upon regardless of any popular opinion. Historically this is the case.
Conversely the right thing to do will not be done if there is no national interest at stake, take the massacres in Africa for example. Clinton acted upon Bosnia instead of the genocide in Africa because he chose to act in the national interest as will all presidents.


reply posted on 15-9-2008 @ 11:57 AM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by SectionEight


A star for you. Your statement is absolutely true. Many times, public opinion does not track well with national interest. I think much of that has to do with what it is in interest of the MSM. Since much of what people really "know" comes from the MSM, if they relate information which is only favorable to their interests, (e.g. ratings), then the public bases much of the "thought" on that related material. I believe that is WHY there has been so much discussion on "trash" material in the political arena, since trash seems to boost ratings. To the average American, I'm afraid discussing the deficit doesn't click with them, although I believe that it should.



reply posted on 15-9-2008 @ 02:26 PM by HIFIGUY
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Who internationally is being polled and verification of that could be difficult.

However, I did a little internet search to see if there were others that agreed on the Obama statement by the OP and here is something I found.

If Obama is elected president, Cull said, “I expect that [global] opinion polls will … show a tremendous willingness to allow the United States to start fresh.” McCain, he said, “would probably not generate the same response. He would seem more like business as usual.”


To read the whole article, the link is below.

www.america.gov...

Heres is yet another...

China Daily

Among those tracking the American election, greater numbers in 20 countries expressed more confidence in Obama, the likely Democratic nominee, than John McCain, the Republican candidate


elections.foxnews.com...

And linked on Fox news no less

There would be some that would think that Americas political interests and her strategic interests come before the peoples interests.

From devastating financial markets to the war. Americas issues have effected nations worldwide and her people within her care. I know I want to see serious change, and I think it was safe of the OP to say the international community on a whole does too.

Peace


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