Are You Blacklisted?

Originally posted by SailorinAZ
reply to post by KOGDOG

 

KogDog,
It does not just pertain to getting a job, but to most areas of my life. I understand what you are talking about.

I have also noticed that ignorance is bliss and also the more aware you are the more accountable you will be held.

Ha... now you're really gonna' "get it"... double meaning intentional. Once "they" know that you "know"... then "they" come out in the open. When I first read the Bible I wondered if a person really "believed" would the "devil" show itself. He did. Listen... if you really are "one of God's" then no expense will be spared in attacking you......NONE! Yes, blacklists do exist. But, to make them work they must have you under constant surveillance. Check for bugs, wiretaps, and cameras..... NOW! Document all finding with a camera. The first phase of attack is usually easily detected. In other worlds, the "bugs" won't be as sophisticated when you are ignorant of what is happening to you. The next level will be very hard to find.
You will go through a period of wondering what you did to deserve all of this. STOP! If you are one of God's you will have been under attack from birth. Carefully analyze all significant events in your life(you will know what I mean). Look for the cause. Look for the "conspiracy".....
Finally thought.... I don't have any pity for you. You are blessed. You are in the test. The furnace of affliction was designed for God's people. Enjoy the Matrix/show. Once you get the hang of it.... it is kinda' fun. You will learn how to mess with the "watchers" heads. Enjoy!
Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

As Far As Freemasonry Goes . . . .


When you apply to my lodge (within the Grand Lodge of Texas, AF/AM), you fill out some forms. Some guys are tasked with asking you what you know about masonry, clearing up misconceptions, etc. The lodge where I was made a mason had actually suggest to some young men which church or country club to join if they were just looking to advance their careers . . .

Generally, if you're married, the guys in that lodge will insist on talking to your wife. They wouldn't accept a candidtate if his wife didn't approve and support their wanting to be a mason.

As I mason, I know what happens next. The committee that interviewed you gives a report at a lodge meeting. They have a box with a little door you can reach into with your hand covered. every guy is given a white token (a cube in our lodge, so you could tell the white one by feel), and a black one ( a literal "black ball.") The box is carrried to each mason in turn, and he drops one token down the "vote" chamber, and one in the "discard" chamber.

At the end, they count up all the votes to make sure they match the number of voting masons. So you get "black balled" if you have too many votes against you. It varies by jurisdiction. Some say a single no vote is enough to bar you, other grand lodges may say 3 votes if more than 30 men vote, something along those lines. Also, some lodges will only let you apply once, other will let you apply once every few years.

That lodge is a close knight community, and I've actually seen a guy get almost entirely all black balls. (I mean, like only 3 yes votes out of a 75 or so!).

Frankly, it's much more fair than elections in the nonmason world.

Every guy I've known that was black balled had a problem with his credentials, or just seemed really, really creepy. And every one of them blamed some mason in the community for ruining it for them; one guy blamed it on prejudice against his church (this in a lodge with jewish and muslim members) and one guy because of his politics, when his view was the majority party there anyway.

I've only known two preachers who weren't black-balled. Probably explains why so many preachers are against masonry . . .

But to answer the big question, each lodge keeps its own records. You could go to the next town, and apply there, and maybe get in. I applied in the suburb where I worked, instead of where I lived, and I think they checked with the closest lodge to see if I had applied there. Other than that, there is no jurisdiction-wide database. And lodges are not particularly beholden to a brother lodge's vote anyway.

So of the "black lists" in the world, it isn't masonic lodges that maintain them.

All the best.

Originally posted by SailorinAZ
Mabus,
Do you mean that my 20+ years in the military is frowned upon by most people doing the hiring? I have heard this before and of other retired military people having problems getting hired.

Could be. Some ppl have a problem with ppl who would willingly kill for money. Some ppl have a problem with ppl they think would go crazy after being in the military. Some ppl have a problem in thinking someone who been in the military is on stand by to get called back. An employer who thinks any of that wont select you surely.

In my case, I'm not in military, but went years job looking without any employment service or head hunter... Like how it should be because you shouldnt have to pay to find a job that pays. Anyway, I live in Detroit... There is no jobs anywhere to be found. Back when I was looking I didnt hear that it was no jobs or barely any, and thought some job previous I had was making me look bad maybe. But I could never tell. I did apply to jobs without listing my previous work history, and got no where, but it's maybe because there actually isnt any jobs in Detroit nor near Detroit.

What ppl should do is find some of the ppl in the area like them 'never finding a job' and come up with a business or service.

If that doesnt happen you could try turning your place into:

1. a motel if you have one room that could be used for a guest. (if you have a back yard you could turn it into a camp ground)
2. a movie theater if you have a basement. All you'd need is cheap chairs if you already got a big t.v. with dvd player. Provide some popcorn or etc.
3. a private resturant if you can cook a breakfast, lunch, or dinner.
4. a studio for ppl to come in and film their porn or sex tape.

^^PPl would have to pay up for the comfort your place offers. If you dont have the space, but know someone who does then cut em in a percent if they themselves arent in need of job too to want 50/50.

Originally posted by KOGDOG
Ha... now you're really gonna' "get it"... double meaning intentional. Once "they" know that you "know"... then "they" come out in the open. When I first read the Bible I wondered if a person really "believed" would the "devil" show itself. He did. Listen... if you really are "one of God's" then no expense will be spared in attacking you......NONE! Yes, blacklists do exist. But, to make them work they must have you under constant surveillance. Check for bugs, wiretaps, and cameras..... NOW! Document all finding with a camera. The first phase of attack is usually easily detected.

I am not a psychiatrist, but doing those sort of things sounds remarkably similar to paranoid schizophrenia. There are two options here: The OP is unable to get a job because either (1) something about his resume or demeanor does not meet the qualifications his potential employers are looking for, or (2) there is a massive plot to spy on him and stalk him that only applies to true "children of god". I am more inclined to believe (1).

"Black lists" do not really exist, at least not in the way they are discussed in this thread. There are lists the government uses to keep an eye on people - like terrorist watch lists - but this is not the kind of thing we seem to be talking about here.

Schizophrenia (pronounced skit-suh-FREH-nee-uh) is a psychotic disorder or group of psychotic disorders that cause a patient to lose touch with reality. It is marked by severely impaired reasoning and emotional instability and can cause violent behavior. Schizophrenic patients are often unable to make sense of the signals they receive from the world around them. They imagine objects and events to be very different from what they really are.
...
Patients diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia tend to suffer from delusions and hallucinations. A delusion is a belief about the world that is not consistent with the facts. For instance, a patient may believe he or she is someone other than who he or she really is. A patient suffering from a paranoid delusion may believe, unrealistically, that someone intends to do the patient harm.

Source: www.faqs.org...

Of course, if one really suffers from this illness, the response is going to be "that is what they WANT you to think...because they want you to think your sick instead of knowing they are out to get you." So I guess we won't really solve this.

....what i get often is, "don't take it personally."
only YOU can know your own mental wellness AND capability...this is crucial!

i do not know what or why.

it is best for you to clear as many actions you may have accumulated over the course
of your life that may have been hurtful or disrespectful to others, this is when you shall
be allowed certain aspects of existence that are blocked for you now. But you must
be honest with these actions. It must be real.

As you begin to heal various aspects of your life so shall your social existence
become more comfortable...if there are not extreme circumstances like law or crime or
bounty.

but certain actions will not cease, for if you are targeted by something this "aware,"
ie: every aspect of who, what, and why you are, you will begin to wonder,
and here is a grave spoiler of a tempestuous truth that most might find difficult to believe or challenging to comprehend:

have a thought, something that is stakable, like a social normalcy, but a disrespectful
action, morally, by thought, and walk into a store, watch as this thought is played
out for you somehow. Even exaggerated...then tie that thought to something in
your life that seems familiar or parallel, then watch as this image or action
miraculously manifests itself before you, perhaps not instantly, but fast...
and they keep up.

the main focus one must remember, even if you have difficulty in believing
THIS FAR into it, is balance, if you anger easily, it is fed upon, and
not just small things, every single nuance that has become some sort of
negative trigger shall be preyed upon...and it goes far, for
eventually, these triggers, if not properly balanced, will create more triggers,
they're basically trying to get you to "snap."

why?

test.

why?

good question.

...and you may be triumphant a thousand times over in balance, but it
will be that one time that they focus on.

frustrating? yes.

can it be overcome? yes, be strong, and balanced.

it is a Path where you are completely alone...surrounded by faceless numbers
who may be friends or family and may even act as such on occasion,
but eventually, they as well, will be surging you into a comprehensive frenzy,
whereas YOU are the puzzle, all the pieces are your life's mistakes, and
putting them back together is not just finding the right pieces to fit where,
but careful thought and considerable respect, even when you are given none,
and it will take some time...

but do not dwell on the factor of time! it will be played out over and over
again, no matter how great your accomplishments, there will always be
someone who is telling you you only have this much time left or that much time til,
take your time, it is yours to take, just like everyone, step gently and
courageously through your life, and be weary and cautious of those who may
evesdrop on your willful and compassionate moments, for they will use it
against you, or try to...be discreet in otherwords, as discreet as possible,
somehow, the right people ALWAYS know when something has happened,
and the wrong people don't need to know a damn thing.

it will not be easy and i do not know what the outcome shall be,
but it WILL make you stronger both mentally and spiritually and
perhaps even physically if you choose exercise as your good thought...

...oh yeah...one more thing, very important!

in the midst of all the strange and negative aspects of life being thrown at
you from every direction, it is ABSOLUTELY CRUCIAL that you have a thought
that always allows you that comfortable balanced feeling.

something that fills you with great energy or balance, like the first time
you fell in love, that first moment, all those butterflies, allow that moment
to fill your comprehensive mind and being...this way the negativity can
not harm you, and it will try, seriously, it is strange.

Believe it or not really doesn't matter eventually, and then your
belief will take you somewhere much further into your real self.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason

Originally posted by KOGDOG
Ha... now you're really gonna' "get it"... double meaning intentional. Once "they" know that you "know"... then "they" come out in the open. When I first read the Bible I wondered if a person really "believed" would the "devil" show itself. He did. Listen... if you really are "one of God's" then no expense will be spared in attacking you......NONE! Yes, blacklists do exist. But, to make them work they must have you under constant surveillance. Check for bugs, wiretaps, and cameras..... NOW! Document all finding with a camera. The first phase of attack is usually easily detected.

I am not a psychiatrist, but doing those sort of things sounds remarkably similar to paranoid schizophrenia. There are two options here: The OP is unable to get a job because either (1) something about his resume or demeanor does not meet the qualifications his potential employers are looking for, or (2) there is a massive plot to spy on him and stalk him that only applies to true "children of god". I am more inclined to believe (1).

"Black lists" do not really exist, at least not in the way they are discussed in this thread. There are lists the government uses to keep an eye on people - like terrorist watch lists - but this is not the kind of thing we seem to be talking about here.

Of course, if one really suffers from this illness, the response is going to be "that is what they WANT you to think...because they want you to think your sick instead of knowing they are out to get you." So I guess we won't really solve this.

Agreed... However in my case I found the wiretaps and bugs. I was just offering a perspective from one who has been there and done that. If this is not pertinent info to the OP and his problems... then the OP should dismiss my suggestions. Now if he really is being "black listed"... then he needs to figure out why and act to confirm his suspicions. I also posted the info for lurkers who may be targeted by the "State" or gangs/cults/corporations/wealthystalkers/etc. People need to know that all is not "well" on Planet Weasel. "Watchers" have always been used to harass and isolate "threats". This in essence is what Jesus and the "early church" experienced and still experiences. Tacitus was right when he deduced that the "Christian" movement was persecuted... not so much on the charge of burning the city, as of "hating the human race." "Christians" maintain that their country/kingdom is "not of this Earth". Simple animalistic territorialism instincts take over and the rest is "Christian bloody history/persecution". Nothing "schizoid" about a little wolf pack behavior...... is there?

Now I am writing as a "Christian". This kind of "evil/harassment/oppression" can happen to anyone for the most ridiculously insignificant reason. The human experience is all about POWER. Those who have power/money like to use it.... and love doing so. Oh... don't tell me. You think the US is fighting in the Mideast to "free the Iraqi people". The US Civil War was fought to "free the slaves". Give the poor Jew boy born on the wrong side of the chariot tracks a little slack. He really was quite insightful..... don't you think?

Coming from a Targeted Individual community, where we know that Gang Stalking does exist, you might want to go over a few things in your life to see if they match any of the symptoms of what other targets have been experiencing.

I totally agree that all is not well in this Matrix type world that we live in, and that yes once your light does shine a little too bright, you will see the system for what it really is, and then you can never see it like it was before again.

If you really do feel like you are being targeted by something or someone, you can check out these sites on gang stalking.

www.TheHIddenevil.com...

www.GangstalkingWorld.com...

New World Order here we all come.

Black lists DO exist and it's likely your own subconscious doing the blacklisting of yourself.


I have seen myself get way-layed more than enough times (exactly as the OP described) to know. You could have all the training, all the grades, all the stability going and still not succeed. It's not the world rising up against you it's you. For truthfully if you REALLY were that wonderful you would be hired immediately and have all the success and all the money etc etc etc...

So if it ain't working the way you expect it should...start over. From scratch. Rebuild yourself by first actually getting to know yourself and what you want and what you can give.

Example: I USED to be a manager with a 21 dollar an hour job...well # happens and I'm not anymore nor have I been for 10 years. So do I apply for those jobs and really expect to get them????

No...reality dictates that I learned certain skills yes but am I still qualified to be a manager - perhaps not.

No ones out to get you though I agree Holy Cow it can feel mighty personal when you're always looking outward for acceptance and not getting it.

So relax...look inward. Sounds a little "self-helpish" but really can it make anything worse?

Forget everything you think you are or thought you were or think you should be. Concentrate on the facts and be honest with yourself.

Then sit down and write a stellar resume that actually fits who you are NOW.

If it seems chronic maybe some cognitive therapy (did me WONDERS! - awesome job that I actually enjoy and get paid well for, finally fell in love...blah blah blah really it changed my entire life in just 4 short years - a few months of counseling and the rest was practice )


Anyway, it can be done. Forget the damn conspiracy theory it's YOU. Take ownership and succeed if that's what you want! And have faith that helps too


((to clarify faith is not owned by ANY religion it is subjective ))

whether it's acknowledged or not, hollywood does have a blacklist of sorts. There's a list of "acceptable" actors, directors, crew, etc, who get to work in TV(real TV, not reality, they'll take damn near anyone). absent intervention from someone with juice, if you're not on that list, you're not getting the gig, either in front or behind the camera. It's not like the old blacklist from way back when, but it does exist.

Originally posted by Harassment101
Coming from a Targeted Individual community, where we know that Gang Stalking does exist, you might want to go over a few things in your life to see if they match any of the symptoms of what other targets have been experiencing.

What do you have when you have a conspiracy theory that claims "symptoms" of gang stalking which everyone on earth has experienced, and where the players in the conspiracy is claimed to be everyone from children to the elderly?

You have something that isn't real. Its the product of mass paranoia.

Originally posted by LowLevelMason
What do you have when you have a conspiracy theory that claims "symptoms" of gang stalking which everyone on earth has experienced, and where the players in the conspiracy is claimed to be everyone from children to the elderly?

You have something that isn't real. Its the product of mass paranoia.

Actually no, what I have is now documented. Again please just read the sites. Before you speak, read the sites.

www.TheHiddHiddenevil.com...

www.GangSTalkingWorld.com...

When you can prove the fact, children hired by the state, check.

Also I agree that if you have one symptom, then it's not likely to be gang stalking, but on a list of 20 things, when you have over 12, you might want to check it out. Ok.

No it's a product of our society and the government using an army of Citizen Informants, which they have used for over a hundread years.

Clearly you might have missed that fact, as you zoomed completly by the sites, you claim to have visited and read.

What I have is proof that these government are hiring Covert Human Intellegence Sources, who are sometimes children to follow people, spy on people, check.

What I have are anti-terror laws, being used to follow people around and spy on them for anti-social behavior, not only to follow them around, but to spy on their email, check, to open their mail, check, to video and audio tape them, check, to have people move into the same neighbourhood as them for the purpose of surviellence, check so you tell me where the paranoia is coming from.

What I have is proof, what you have is a bunch a of talk, about things that you clearly don't understand, because I do not believe you have gone over the research, not by a long shot.

There are lists and those I'm aware of are kept by, for example, teachers' unions, government departments.

My children and I were on a teachers' union list for quite some time. I'd 'made the mistake' of lodging formal complaint against a teacher who'd been beating up children systematically in music class.

I was one of the very last to know about this. Another teacher came to my home to tell me about it. She was terrified of losing her job and begged me not to reveal who'd told me.

Along with another parent, I went along to the school. The headmaster warned us not to take it any further. But we were outraged and believed the education department should be made aware in order the offending teacher/s could be dismissed. Clearly such teachers had no place around children.

The offending teacher/s were dismissed. We believed it was over. But no. We (the other parents and I) received letters from the teachers' union, demanding we make formal, written apology to the offending teachers within x-amount of time. Failure to do so would mean the matter would be placed before the court.

I got bolshy. Told the teachers' union that I would very much like to see the matter go to court. Said I would arrange for the media to be there. Said I wanted the nation's parents to see just what went on in taxpayer funded schools, behind closed doors. Wanted the world to know about the scum posing as teachers who indulged their sick, private fantasies at the expense of taxpayers' children.

Never heard another word from the teachers' union.

However, not long afterwards, a teacher strongly advised me to move my children to a new school a short distance away. My children and I had been placed on a 'list', I was warned. It meant my children would be given bad grades, despite that they'd always done well at school. They would not be chosen for sporting events, despite they had always done well in sports. And they would find themselves being blamed for things of which they were innocent.

I refused to buckle, but sure enough, I learned that in the new year, my children would be placed in classes run by notoriously disliked teachers .. those who screamed and ranted all day long, for example, and who forced children to sit outside class, day after day. I realised there was a chance my children's good academic records could come crashing down after a year spent at the mercy of such teachers. So in the end, I moved them to the new school, as advised.

We thought it was all over. Unfortunately, the teacher who'd warned us was sent to one rough school after another, her hours were lessened and in the end she was suspended over a staged piece of nonsense. The State lost an excellent, principled and courageous woman. But what's new, huh ?

We had believed it was all over, but then, a year or so later, there were some strange incidents. Such as my daughter's assignment papers being claimed as 'lost, misplaced', repeatedly. Then, she had to repay $3,000 to the education dept. because they had decided, two years after the fact, that she had needed one half hour more of study to qualify for the student payment .. and must now repay the entire amount because of that alleged half hour. There were more oddities along those lines which implied my daughter was either extremely unlucky (like those who're struck by lightning half a dozen times) or the 'list' we'd been placed on was still active.

The irony being it was her brother who'd been beaten up by the music teacher. But my children are twins. Perhaps, typically incompetent to the last, even in petty revenge, the education dept/teachers' union thugs had got it wrong yet again.

We've had similar situations arise after making legitimate, formal complaints (substantiated by copious evidence) to various government departments, regarding systemic corruption within that department.

Probably not the sort of 'stalking' the OP is referring to. But in my experience, a form of stalking (basically 'revenge' tactics by unintelligent government drones, just because they can) does occur.

Organizations, fraternal or not, have blacklists even if they don`t have a written list. Every organization has goals, any individual who repeteatedly goes against the goals of a organization is automatically blacklisted by said group.

It is called survival.



[edit on 29-9-2008 by Camilo1]

Originally posted by Harassment101
Actually no, what I have is now documented. Again please just read the sites. Before you speak, read the sites.

I've read the sites, and I maintain my position: all you have is the product of mass paranoia. You offer no evidence, no facts, no reason as to why all this elaborate stalking is needed.

What do you call it when everyone is out to get you
- from children to the elderly
- people in every profession and in every class
- from every corporation and government agency
- a conspiracy so large there would be evidence everywhere where, and none is available

You call it paranoia. Massive paranoia I grant you, but paranoia nonetheless. Either there is a massive, global conspiracy where quite literally everyone (according to your own websites) is out to get you, or you have the rational explanation: paranoid people seek to explain why their life is not in a position they would like, and they create a gigantic non-falsifiable conspiracy to explain it.

Originally posted by Harassment101
When you can prove the fact, children hired by the state, check.

Yes, you should be able to prove this "fact," but you cannot because its not real. Many children cannot clearly follow instructions and can't keep a secret, yet millions are employed in stalking people?

Originally posted by Harassment101
Also I agree that if you have one symptom, then it's not likely to be gang stalking, but on a list of 20 things, when you have over 12, you might want to check it out. Ok.

Of course you've created a list that are not really signs of stalking but things that mostly happen to people every day for a very germane reason. This is the same thing they do in astrology: create a horoscope that fits everyone and they will believe it.

Originally posted by Harassment101
No it's a product of our society and the government using an army of Citizen Informants, which they have used for over a hundread years.

Right..everyones out to get you, but no one can find one verifiable "informant"?

Originally posted by Harassment101
What I have is proof that these government are hiring Covert Human Intellegence Sources, who are sometimes children to follow people, spy on people, check.

No you do not. You have no proof, you have created a gigantic conspiracy theory to explain your life and you've made it unfalsifiable.

Please do your research on paranoid schizophrenia. People who believe this sort of stuff could seriously have mental health issues because the symptoms are exactly the same, and it is morally wrong to lead them on in a fake conspiracy when they should be seeking professional help. Its not a joke.

[edit on 29-9-2008 by LowLevelMason]

HI Dock6,

Lot's of people have these example, to one degree or another, but it's when you start to put al the stories together that you see a bigger picture coming together.

Hi LowLevelMason,

I've read the sites, and I maintain my position: all you have is the product of mass paranoia. You offer no evidence, no facts, no reason as to why all this elaborate stalking is needed.

Ok, so what is the reason the stalking occurs according to the sites in question?


Why do you feel it's paranoia?

I have shown that governments are now stalking ordinary citizens, with the forms of harassment's described by targets. It is you who has not been able to disclaim the evidence provided. For example, you can not prove that the government has not been stalking ordinary citizens, using anti-terror laws.

I am sure you would have called these people paranoid as well had they came on a forum such as this and expressed their believes, so your conjectures of paranoia at this stage seems extremely unfounded to me.

What do you call it when everyone is out to get you
- from children to the elderly
- people in every profession and in every class
- from every corporation and government agency
- a conspiracy so large there would be evidence everywhere where, and none is available

Some have called it Red Squad, Some have referred to Cointelpro, some have referred to the former East Germany. All real life examples where the government did the above that you have described. So if you want to call the former East Germany, Cointelpro and Red Squads paranoia, who am I to stop you.

Yes, you should be able to prove this "fact," but you cannot because its not real. Many children cannot clearly follow instructions and can't keep a secret, yet millions are employed in stalking people?

It happened in the former East Germany, that the Civilian Spies who were children and hired by the state could keep their mouths shut. Do you imagine that American, Canadian, and British children are any less intelligent, or any less protective of keeping their countries secrets?

Of course you've created a list that are not really signs of stalking but things that mostly happen to people every day for a very germane reason. This is the same thing they do in astrology: create a horoscope that fits everyone and they will believe it.

Oh so you are telling me that on an average day, people have their homes broken into and their stuff moved around, they have their private conversations repeated out in public?

Well I guess you have a very broad definition of average. :-)

Right..everyones out to get you, but no one can find one verifiable "informant"?

There are lot's of citizen informants who have spoken to targets, drop them hints or outright told them, look you are being watched. Also the Ramona Lopez story illustrates very well, how some in her community tried to help her as best they could. So there examples where targets do make contact, or get information from these Informants.

No you do not. You have no proof, you have created a gigantic conspiracy theory to explain your life and you've made it unfalsifiable.

Actually yes I do have proof. If you choose not to believe newspaper articles that explain that this is happening, then I can't help that, it's not my fault. AT this stage I get the feeling that you are the sort of person who would deny that lap dancing existed, even if someone came up to you and did the hippy, hippy shake right on your lap. If people choose to deny evidence then I can't help that.

I have simply been able to finally find documentation, that expresses what targets have been saying for years. The story has broken all over the U.K., and in time hopefully it will break in these countries as well. It's just like people who use to deny workplace mobbing and bullying in the workplace existed, and now look where we are.

This is being exposed and I am sure there are probably still shouting that the earth is flat, but other evidence has presented itself and I personally, and many others are moving forward.

Please do your research on paranoid schizophrenia. People who believe this sort of stuff could seriously have mental health issues because the symptoms are exactly the same, and it is morally wrong to lead them on in a fake conspiracy when they should be seeking professional help. Its not a joke.

Actually what's morally reprehensible are people who conduct these types of activities on their innocent fellow citizens, just like it was morally reprehensible during the Cointelpro era, just like it was morally reprehensible during the Russian and East German time period, when these same Citizen Informant groups were used to destroy the lives of thousands of innocent people.

What is morally reprehensible my friend are people like who deny evidence when it is right in front of their faces. It is people like them that ensure people like Ramona Lopez will never get justice for the Gang Stalking, electronic harassment, Gang Rape, and targeting she suffered at the hands of these people.

It is people who do everything in their power to suppress that truth who are morally reprehensible. The blood of these people are on the hands of people such as that. To not know the truth of something is one thing, but when truth is staring you in the face and you turn a cold blind eye to it, that is something else.

What is morally wrong is a society that does this, a system that allows this, and those who work for the system that try to keep the truth suppressed, and justice denied for targets of this harassment. That is what is morally reprehensible.

Originally posted by Harassment101
Ok, so what is the reason the stalking occurs according to the sites in question? Why do you feel it's paranoia?

It doesn't occur. When people want to believe something they will examine every event in their life and contort it to make it fit what they want to believe. Paranoid people want to believe they are being gang stalked to explain their problems in life, so they make themselves believe its happening.

This conspiracy is just over the top. There is no proof or evidence for it, and there is no rational reason for it to occur. No one can say who is spending all this money to stalk people, nor has 1 stalker ever been verified. Why exactly would whoever is doing this spend millions of dollars and employ thousands of people to stalk 1 person, when they could just have them killed? The risk of exposure is much lower. But instead..no..somehow they continue to go through all of this just to annoy people. Uh-huh.

Originally posted by Harassment101
I have shown that governments are now stalking ordinary citizens, with the forms of harassment's described by targets. It is you who has not been able to disclaim the evidence provided. For example, you can not prove that the government has not been stalking ordinary citizens, using anti-terror laws.

You have not presented any evidence yet, so I can't disclaim anything. You've presented google news searches and gang stalking websites, none of which prove or provide credence to anything you've said so far.

Originally posted by Harassment101
I am sure you would have called these people paranoid as well had they came on a forum such as this and expressed their believes, so your conjectures of paranoia at this stage seems extremely unfounded to me.

Actually, its exactly what paranoid people would do. Remember, if this were real the gang stalkers would stop you from talking about it. That would be their goal. But its not real, its the product of paranoia, which is why people can join these websites and talk about it.

Originally posted by Harassment101
It happened in the former East Germany, that the Civilian Spies who were children and hired by the state could keep their mouths shut. Do you imagine that American, Canadian, and British children are any less intelligent, or any less protective of keeping their countries secrets?

Do you just make history up as you go along? Please cite documents which state East Germany employed millions of people to stalk others, including using children. It did not happen. Historically Germany kept tabs on political dissidents, they didn't spend millions to stalk people for littering.

Originally posted by Harassment101
Oh so you are telling me that on an average day, people have their homes broken into and their stuff moved around, they have their private conversations repeated out in public?

Another classical example of why this is paranoia. Yes, robberies do occur - when my apartment was broken into several years ago, the place got turned upside down as the robbers looked for something of value to steal. No one was stalking me. People's private conversations are not being repeated - people are stringing together meaningless events. They say the word shoe on the phone and someone say it in public, and the paranoid conclude this is proof.

Originally posted by Harassment101
There are lot's of citizen informants who have spoken to targets, drop them hints or outright told them, look you are being watched. Also the Ramona Lopez story illustrates very well, how some in her community tried to help her as best they could. So there examples where targets do make contact, or get information from these Informants.

Uh-huh. Millions of "citizen informants" and not one drop of evidence.

Originally posted by Harassment101
Actually yes I do have proof. If you choose not to believe newspaper articles that explain that this is happening, then I can't help that, it's not my fault. AT this stage I get the feeling that you are the sort of person who would deny that lap dancing existed, even if someone came up to you and did the hippy, hippy shake right on your lap. If people choose to deny evidence then I can't help that.

At this point your so in denial about reality you'd think Reptilians were after you if someone told you they were. You have yet to provide any evidence for anything you've stated. Your "documentation" has so far consisted of the ramblings of people who think that people looking at them is gang stalking.

Originally posted by Harassment101
This is being exposed and I am sure there are probably still shouting that the earth is flat, but other evidence has presented itself and I personally, and many others are moving forward.

You can create a fantasy and believe in it, but without evidence no one else is going to believe you.

You are furthering the delusions of people with mental problems. Shame on you. I'd say I wish this sort of abuse of people was a jailable offense, but then if you got put in jail for actively preying on those with mental wellness issues you'd claim that was part of the conspiracy, too.

Is there a jehovah's witness blacklist? and if so.. how do i get on it? Should i answer the door nekkid with sword in hand?

Seriously though... the witnesses do maintain a blacklist. My best friend in highschools family has been on it for more then 3 generations. His older brother lived NEXT DOOR to a witness and less then a mile from their closest kingdom hall and not once did they ever receive a visit from a prostylitizer.

I believe the mormons also maintain a blacklist, when they add you to it, it is called "Shaking off the dust"

[edit on 30-9-2008 by Secret Master]

Originally posted by KOGDOG
KogDog, What do you mean when you said:
"if you are one of God's you will be "targeted" from birth".


You may have up to this point in your life done things that seemed to indicate that you were "one with this world". However, if you were born one of God's then the "world" is just waiting for you to "wake up". "They"... know who you are even if you do not. God's children are known from birth by the "ruler" of this world. The Children of God are "watched" and literally abused and used from childhood until they "wake up". Only you will know if you have lived such a life.

But why? Why if you are "one of god's" would you be watched and potentially harmed? Why would you be feared?

if what Kogdog says is true, then you would have much to fear being "One of God's". specifically those who were not one of god's.

does not the bible state that by proclaiming yourself on of god's children you are opening yourself up to the evils of the world? dont ask me to cite the specific verse, but i do believe it is there

Originally posted by interestedalways
But why? Why if you are "one of god's" would you be watched and potentially harmed? Why would you be feared?

We are not so much "feared" as "enjoyed". As written... Satan is the author of confusion. The Children of God are being tested and refined. Once awakened the COG illuminate "The Way" for other brothers and sisters still "confused". We are from that point on no longer "amusing". :-)