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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:14 AM by burdman30ott6
Originally posted by Leo Strauss
I would encourage you RP & 3rd party voters to consider voting for Obama!!
If you are young you will be sentencing yourself to some extremely harsh political times if McCain wins the election.

Al Gore was right if he had been elected in 2000 we would not be in Iraq right now and things would be VERY different.

My plea to you is to vote for Obama in this cycle then go from there. If you are not satisfied with a more moderate position from the corporate party then move on. I will move on with you if that is the case!


I would really like to know why it is that posts such as the one by Leo here aren't considered a direct violation of ATS's T&C policy, specifically the following:
1 e.) Recruitment/Solicitation:

i) You will not use your membership at The Above Network, LLC site(s) for any type of recruitment to any causes whatsoever. You will not post, use the chat feature or use the private message system to disseminate advertisements, chain letters, petitions, pyramid schemes, or any kind of solicitation for political action, social action, letter campaigns, or related online and/or offline coordinated actions of any kind.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

You're pandering for political action, namely soliciting votes for Barack Obama. Not only that, but you're doing it via baseless (or at least unspecified by you) fear mongering.
"If you are young you will be sentencing yourself to some extremely harsh political times if McCain wins the election."
What the hell kind of crap is that? You're making it sound like John McCain has a vendetta against the youth of this country and I have never seen that claim made anywhere by anyone. If anything, I've seen Obama spend far, far more time critiquing and kevetching about the activities and attitudes of today's youth. Learn the difference between just stating who you're supporting and why & soliciting votes for one candidate or the other, please.


reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 01:32 AM by knows_but_doesnt
Originally posted by Unit541
The number of people here with "wasted vote" syndrome is truly sickening. No vote, as long as it's cast by ones conscience, is a wasted vote. Voting for someone purely because they have a "better chance" of winning, is much more of a waste than voting for who you truly feel should be running this country. The election is not intended to be a "contest" to see who can get the most votes, it's a decision.

What really gets me, is none of the Ron Paul detractors, who so fervently admonish his supporters, can give a reasonable explanation of their views of Ron Paul. None of them can express what it is that they detest so thoroughly about him. Most of them don't have the slightest clue about his stances on the issues. If you're going to take the time and energy to sling mud at people for supporting a particular candidate, the least you could do is actually be able to make a point, as to why you think the candidate is a poor choice.


What a GREAT post, thank you. I am facing the same thing with friends and neighbors. They are so freaking brainwashed it's pathetic, but in reality, it's just truly sad. Two of my neighbors said they probably wouldn't vote this election!?!?!?! WOW!! One of my employees, when I placed a vote Nader sticker at the store, didn't even know there were any other options other than McLame and Oblabber. WOW!!! Seriously, he that you could only vote for one of the two parties running!!

So, I'm voting, for anyone other than the two purchased and paid for talking heads. People, listen... We CAN swing this election to the good, unpaid for side, by educating one person at a time. What I find works the best to open the closed mind, is to ask a fun question. To open conversation, I ask...

"What branch of OUR government is in charge of the FEDERAL Reserve?"

LOL!!! Try it!


reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 12:37 PM by Skipper1975
3rd party time!

www.baldwin08.com...

or

www.votenader.org...


i havnt done any research on them yet..

but i'm going to have to vote for one of em


F@#K the mainstream politics


reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 11:08 AM by StellarX
As almost always how to enable third party candidates is not discussed. If some of the following five 'simple' measures are implemented third parties will be enabled thus giving the US something akin to actual democracy.

1:
Proportional representation is democratic; winner takes all is NOT. The US House of Representatives is thus about as democratic a 'breaktrough' as was ever made in the US.

2: A third party can only begin to receive federal funding ( in the next election ) when it gains 5% of the popular vote in a national election. This is obviously meant to keep third parties from gaining sufficient funds to stage media campaigns and thus a deliberate effort to keep a non representative two party system where both parties propagandize citizens by using their taxpayer funds. Parties can either receive proportionally allocated funds or , more democratically perhaps, non at all.

3: Campaign finance reform should be restricted to individual donations which should be be subject to audits with serious restrictions for those who are owners or board members of listed ( depending on degree by means of national referendum ) companies. They should in my opinion at least be on a separate list for closer inspection.

Obviously there are hundreds if not thousands of books/articles dedicated to campaign finance reform so those are some very basic ideas.

4: Ballot access. There is no democratically viable reason why 'third' party candidate should have to pay to be on a given states ballot in a national election. This cost would easily be carried by the federal and state taxes that are normally levied on those voters. In fact there should be as few as possible measures to prevent candidates from running as paper and, especially, ink are not nearly as expensive as some corporations have decided to make it.

5: The US senate should be outlawed. There is no reason for it to exist beside serving as a way to interfere with or block any progress made in the far more democratic workings of the House of Representatives.

So there's five 'steps' that will enable the formation of a more representative system. Far better to work on that than to just 'vote your consciouns' ( something i support) hoping to get the ear of the one party with two representatives. Sure some of that 50% that isn't voting wouldn't start voting now but a very significant proportion would if they could find candidates that might gain power enough to affect some changes.

Stellar

[edit on 12-9-2008 by StellarX]


reply posted on 12-9-2008 @ 11:24 PM by nina.
reply to post by Leo Strauss



Interesting response! But for all we know, Obama might make a worse president than McCain, or the latter could actually cause things to turn out better than anyone expected. It's really impossible to know sometimes until the new president is actually sworn into office.
And this goes for the past, too...for all we know, Kerry or Gore winning against Bush could have caused the country to go into an even worse situation. Or a much better one. Like I said, it's impossible to truly know.


reply posted on 13-9-2008 @ 11:29 AM by oceanaut1
reply to post by greenjuice



We all should vote our conscious and get the word out. The interent is the perfect and 'free' medium to achieve this. Why don't the candidates pool their resources, promote a new 'independence' channel on the tele and promote Ron Paul's 4 step plan to restore the Constitution? I can't think of a better advertising campaign for the new cable/satellite channel. All citizens would be in support to a return to the hijacked Constitution and the advertising generated would more than pay back the cost of getting a new televison channel up and running or rather they could buy out a channel of which is struggling and get moving to mass promote Ron Paul's campaign in the public eye. We need to take back the media here in the US and away from the international banking cartel.
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