16 US troops commit suicide in Iraq

google is running with it under their news page from another iranian source. Probably iranian propaganda
The two groups doesnt make sense any more than just the one group.

Deny ignorance right?

reply to post by chickenshoes


I feel for these men and women... trapped into doing things and feeling it life or death to do it or not to do it. Thank you for sharing this sad, sad story.

Also I can't imagine this kind of thing is something they want to announce to the public in fear their they would have even more trouble recruiting than they do now.

Originally posted by anyone
reply to post by chickenshoes

 

I feel for these men and women... trapped into doing things and feeling it life or death to do it or not to do it. Thank you for sharing this sad, sad story.

Also I can't imagine this kind of thing is something they want to announce to the public in fear their they would have even more trouble recruiting than they do now.

Maybe it's something they don't want to announce to the public because it didn't happen? This sad, sad story is just that...a story. BTW the U.S Army surpassed its recruiting goals for 2007, so I'm interested to know where you get the idea that they have trouble recruiting?

Originally posted by MemoryShock

What I am curious towards is this...are some of you calling foul on this story as a knee jerk reaction to defend our soldiers overseas or because you have valid reasonings?

I am saying its not true because the facts they gave are false: There is no 57th Airborne Division. IF...IF...a huge part of a unit committed suicide and IRAN of all people got the breaking story....you would think they would at least get the facts straight, IE. the correct unit and even where that unit comes from. They just pulled something from their arse and created a story. There is no evidence ANYWHERE that this happened. Even Iran cant produce proper evidence. No names of the witnesses. No name of the base. No name of the hospital. NADA. An obvious fabricated story.

And a mass suicide such as this would make big news. It would be impossible to hide such a huge thing. These soldiers would have family members at home. Family members at home rally together when their unit is deployed. If ONE member of the unit dies (no matter how it happens), every single family member at home knows about it and word spreads FAST.


Eh. Just my .02


With all of that said. Suicide by anyone is horribly sad And even if this story were true, I dont think any of us "naysayers" would feel anything but sorrow

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reply to post by ppskylight


I never said I was certain I felt this is the truth and not propaganda. What I said was I could see it to be possible... please see my original post.

Here is an artical dated in April of this year backing my claim about recruiting. It comes from USAToday.



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This has been totally debunked.
Fact: the millitary unit does not exist
Fact: The Iranian publisher does exist

Many would so like the story to be true, just to further their little cause of bashing America in Iraq but it can't be found here.

reply to post by ppskylight


Also I was replying to Chickenshoes post not the OP I'm sorry that you are confused. See below:



Originally posted by anyone
I can see why this may be propaganda because of the source. But I was thinking about how soldiers are given orders and go though with these orders because they cannot commit "mutiny" but what if these orders are so horrific that they can't live with what they have done.

post by chickenshoes:

You know, this came to my mind too. A good friend of mine has a nephew who is a bomb specialist in Iraq. He is on some super secret mission and couldn't tell any details, except he did say this, that when his company got their orders a few weeks ago, two deserted and one committed suicide. I began to wonder why, and thought that the orders might be so absolutely horrific that they couldn't handle it.


[edit on 8-9-2008 by anyone]

Originally posted by MemoryShock
That is what I interpreted...and if true, it is a very startling correlation and suspicious at best.

Though according to many of our more skeptical posters, it never happened.

What I am curious towards is this...are some of you calling foul on this story as a knee jerk reaction to defend our soldiers overseas or because you have valid reasonings?

Since know one wants to hear the truth I will post my earlier post again this tome maybe you will read it and stop worring about iranian propaganda

It is a false story the 57th airborne never technically existed. In 1950, the 57th Reconnaissance Company was redesignated as the 101st Airborne Reconnaissance Company, activated and assigned to the 101st Airborne Division And trust me I was stationed with the 101st You cant mistake a screaming eagle for anything other the the 101st.

These means that the writer of the bull doesnt even know command structure wrote about a unit that hasnt existed in over 50 years

Well, I certainly hope this is propaganda. Good god! But, on the other hand, with the civilian death toll in that country, it wouldn't surprise me if it was in fact true.

To the people who are quick to pass this off as propaganda, I want to remind you that the negativity is not towards the USA or it's people, the negativity is towards the corrupt government and the puppet masters who control it.

America has turned into a remote controlled war machine.... and it's up to the people to stop it!

reply to post by SPC_D

And when we go we are taking it all with us.

Now THAT's American!



On Topic - I sure hope the news you found is not correct...
I've checked a number of Euro news sources and not found anything yet - but - I'll keep looking just in case.





[edit on 9-9-2008 by silo13] oops!

[edit on 9-9-2008 by silo13]

The Iraqi official questioned said it was the "57th Unit of the US Airborne Division."

I've been searching and here are other news stories regarding suicides, and what the goverment is/isn't doing to help:


At least 17 U.S. troops have committed suicide in Iraq; Army seeks answers

US army acts on soldier suicides

Pentagon: Suicides of US Troops Rising in Iraq

PEOPLE!! Look at the address it's .ir this is propaganda. Stop being enemy shills and support your troops!!!!

[edit on 9-9-2008 by DisabledVet]

Originally posted by MarkAkaSilent
reply to post by ppskylight

 

Im sorry you think of me as anti American but im not, America has had a big part in uniting Ireland under one flag.

sorry to disagree but ireland is not "united under one flag" Northern Ireland is still part of the uk and not eire.

Originally posted by DJMessiah
The Iraqi official questioned said it was the "57th Unit of the US Airborne Division."

I've been searching and here are other news stories regarding suicides, and what the goverment is/isn't doing to help:


At least 17 U.S. troops have committed suicide in Iraq; Army seeks answers

US army acts on soldier suicides

Pentagon: Suicides of US Troops Rising in Iraq

Did you look at the dates at least 4 years old.

Do we have any info on other wars at any time ?
is it normal for active service men and woman to do this ?

im only asking the question.

im sure i read something re : the Viatnam war, saying it happened there also.

x= Questionable News Source.
(x+1) Democrats looking for every reason to pull us right away from Iraq
(x-1) Democrat-biased MainStream Media
(x-1) No coverage at all from Mainstream Media
--------------------------------------------------------------
= Nothing to see here.

And who says mathematics can't solve everything?

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[edit on 9-9-2008 by CreeWolf]

I find it intriguing. I'm looking at real-world fresh propaganda. Its this kind of thing I learned and read of in history class, and here it is in the flesh.

Incredible really. This article would be a great learning tool in any current events discussion.

Originally posted by craic.n.up

Originally posted by MarkAkaSilent
reply to post by ppskylight

 

Im sorry you think of me as anti American but im not, America has had a big part in uniting Ireland under one flag.

sorry to disagree but ireland is not "united under one flag" Northern Ireland is still part of the uk and not eire.

Sorry! Slip of the typing hand. Didn't realized the mistake until you pointed it out. It should of read "in helping to unite Ireland under one flag.

Originally posted by MarkAkaSilent


Im not sure why i haven't heard this story on any of the mainstream news channels, it seems pretty important to me. Suicide seems unlikely doesn't it? And just after dinner! Very strange i think, wouldn't it make more sense that they were poisoned at dinner time but the Government doesn't want people to know that its that easy for Iraqi insurgents to infiltrate American military bases to poison troops. Or maybe it was the Government themselves trying to silence troops as to not talk about the orders they received prior to them massacring innocent women and children.

www.presstv.ir
(visit the link for the full news article)

Well this isn't in mainstream media because they would not want us to know this, and give people even more things to protest about in this world..I hope that the soldier's families get peace someday because this war has already cost way too many lives as it is..I hope we find peace in that region someday soon.

Originally posted by SPC_D
reply to post by MarkAkaSilent

 

Oh and as for Iraq f them I don't care why we are there but we are and now it is a person like me who has to deal with it ...They are the enemy because I am told they are I do not need another reason other than that.

It's sh*t like this that really worries me, sometimes more than Islamic extremists! Patriotist / Nationalism can be an extremely ugly thing, one of America's biggest flaws. Blinkered nationalist nonsense the likes from this poster is seriously dangerous.

Regarldess if this is enemy propaganda or not, isn't the whole point of this website to see the sides that the media hides from us? We're all adults, we can make our own minds up. Stop hating on the Original Poster for just passing on the thread!

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