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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 04:41 PM by skeptic1

reply to post by TheRooster

Hey, that's my sig.

And, as to the economic crisis now, most people are going to put all of the blame on the party who occupies the White House. Their logic holds that the problem is now, so we blame it on who is in power now. But, that's not really logic, is it?

As to issues mattering....no, they don't. At least not to the majority of the voting public in this country. The majority is lazy (they don't want to do any research to find out the truth), they are complacent (why look for facts when it only takes 10 minutes at the top of the hour to get the "supposed issues" from one of the cable news channels), and they prefer to be entertained, not informed.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:06 PM by jerico65

Originally posted by TheRooster
Right now, the polls indicate that a whole lot of the people are being fooled a whole lot of the time. The current financial bailout crisis has propelled Barack Obama into a substantial lead over John McCain, which is astonishing considering which man and which party has had the most responsibility with bringing on this crisis.

That's easy enough to do. Obama is just promising people more money. One "bailout" after another, one "stimulus package" after another. I guess he figures that if you print up enough and buy their vote, things will be better.

I take he he never read about the Weimar Republic.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 05:44 PM by TheRooster

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by TheRooster

Hey, that's my sig.

I noticed but you left something out...

...Give the man some credit!

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:30 PM by davion

Originally posted by FlyersFan
For those who are interested. This is the new ad that McCain is coming out with - dealing with Obama and his vast ACORN involvement -

McCain Acorn Ad

Was taken down because Fox News apparently has a copyright claim on it.

So I guess I know where to turn to for my dirt slinging before it's even aired.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 06:35 PM by davion

Originally posted by skeptic1
reply to post by TheRooster

Hey, that's my sig.

And, as to the economic crisis now, most people are going to put all of the blame on the party who occupies the White House. Their logic holds that the problem is now, so we blame it on who is in power now. But, that's not really logic, is it?

As to issues mattering....no, they don't. At least not to the majority of the voting public in this country. The majority is lazy (they don't want to do any research to find out the truth), they are complacent (why look for facts when it only takes 10 minutes at the top of the hour to get the "supposed issues" from one of the cable news channels), and they prefer to be entertained, not informed.

The Republican's don't like to remind people that they had control of Congress the vast majority of the time, all the way back to when Clinton was in office.

Regardless of how you grandstand there is a lot of blame to go around, banks are to blame, people trying to get loans are to blame, Republicans are to blame, Democrats are to blame, Clinton is to blame, the list goes on.

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 07:55 PM by TheRooster

Originally posted by davion

Regardless of how you grandstand there is a lot of blame to go around, banks are to blame, people trying to get loans are to blame, Republicans are to blame, Democrats are to blame, Clinton is to blame, the list goes on.

Nothing personal Davion,
But I'm not going to be one of those "there's enough blame to go around, we shouldn't be blaming people right now" guys when you and your ilk have been on this site and sites like it blaming the republicans ad nauseum for this and every single "chicken little, the sky is falling" scenario played out over the last 8 years. No Sir, the democrats own "the greatest financial debacle since the Great Depression" lock, stock, and two smoking barrels!

You know what I find utterly amazing? The unbelievable level of denial on the part of the perpetrators of this financial armageddon. Watching Barney Frank and Chris Dodd on the C-SPAN re-runs from 2005, has been very educational, and sickening.

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reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 08:59 PM by davion

I say, I say, I say, I say, deny ignorance

reply posted on 10-10-2008 @ 11:01 PM by TheRooster

reply to post by davion

Fact check will be updating that forever, when all the facts come out.

Like perhaps this one. Did Barney Frank do favors for one of his homosexual friends at Fanny Mae? (no pun intended)

journals.aol.com... hris-dodd/4974

And a counter point to a claim made on the fact check website, (in case you were too busy to read it)

Now Frank has said that he can't be blamed while Republicans controlled the House, because Democrats could not block legislation in the House that the Republicans wanted to pass. Not true. Barney Frank explained why that is not true himself, in some of the same interviews when he defended himself on the Wall Street bailout bill.

Democrats now control the House. Republicans could not stop the Wall Street bailout bill if Democrats wanted to pass it. Frank was asked why Democrats on his own committee--enough to pass the bill--voted to reject the bill supported by the Democratic leadership last Monday. Frank's answer, at the same time he was saying Republicans could pass any bill they wanted on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? "I don't control the Democrats on my committee. They have their own minds." His answer as to why Democrats could not pass the Wall Street bailout bill themselves was that Democrats were unwilling to take the political heat without Republican participation. He probably also said, in some interviews, that you could not expect all Democrats to think the same on the bill, even though the leadership endorsed it.

It takes an industrial strength hypocrite to take opposite positions in the same interview. Barney Frank managed it, because he is such a hypocrite. He simultaneously said that the Democrats could not be responsible for failing to pass the Wall Street bailout bill, even though in the majority, while Republicans were totally responsible for passing reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, over heavy Democrat opposition (joined by, of course, some Republicans and blocked by Democrats like Chris Dodd in the Senate, as well). You just can't get any more hypocritical than that.

Barney Frank is "on tape" saying the there was nothing wrong with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, all of the way up to 2003 to 2005, and perhaps beyond that. That included in the 1990's, when he had a homosexual lover who was an official of Fannie Mae. Barney Frank, in the House, and Democrat Chris Dodd, in the Senate (where a minority can block action on bills), were more responsible than any other people to block reform and strict "oversight" of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. John McCain, of course, warned of the financial crisis that would result if the bill he co-sponsored, in 2005 (Federal Housing Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, or some such name--correct name in previous entry in this blog), failed to pass. That bill was blocked by Democrats in the Senate, such as Chris Dodd, along with some Republicans. The bill would have provided for a "regulator" with strong powers to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Barney Frank makes a point of saying that his committee, and the Congress, passed watered down regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2007, shortly after he became chairman of the committee (after Democrats gained control in the 2006 elections). However, his was obvious "too little, too late". How do we know that? We know that because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac totally failed, and were takken over by the Federal Government, a year later.

To almost the very end, Barney Frank, and the Democrats in Congress, were saying that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were there to make sure that there was "affordable housing" for almost everyone, The Democrats rejected criticism of the accounting of Franklin Raines (forced to resign in 2005l), and generally protected Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the bitter end (the bitter end being the present mortgage/housing/credit crisis.

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reply posted on 11-10-2008 @ 01:37 PM by TheRooster

And the plot thickens...

Jailed Obama Fundraiser Spills the Beans

elections.foxnews.com... lls-beans/

Having been a kid and now a father, much can be gleaned from an individual by the company he keeps. I remember some of my own associatons and wonder if my old man ever "bought any of my stories".

What struck me as odd about the article is a quote by O'Bama. "I regret it," Obama said at the time. "I'm going to make sure that from this point on I don't even come close to the line." The quote was in reference to this...

In 2005, the Obamas paid $1.65 million for their home near the University of Chicago. The sellers wanted a parcel they owned next door to sell on the same day, and Rezko's wife, Rita, was the buyer. At the request of the Obamas, Mrs. Rezko later sold them a 10-foot strip of land to enlarge their lot. They paid $104,500.

When you think you can get away with something the thought never crosses your mind. The question is, did what he was doing EVER cross his mind? And if he and Rezko were not "all that tight", how do you suppose he got the Rezko's to buy that parcel on the same day? OR... how he went about asking for the 10 feet of land?

Maybe it went something like this??? aaaah, uuuuuh, Tony, uuuuuhhhhh, uuummmmm, Michelle really wants to put a garden in, and that uuuuuhhhhh, uuuuummmmm ten feet you got over there would really do ther trick. Is there any uuuuuuhhhhhh, uuuummmmm, way you would consider uuuuummmmm, selling us just THAT 10 feet?

Sounds silly I agree, but when you break down what happened, it sounds silly O'Bama expects us to believe all of his associations were not that tight. "That's not the Jeremiah Wright I knew"... sitting in the church pew for 20 years... Sounds silly doesn't it?

reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 03:52 PM by TheRooster

Davion,

Where did go? Dig that tail out and get back here, I say, I say, I say, get back here and deny some ignorance with me!

Here's more C-SPAN, make sure you watch it to the very end, your boy Clinton even admits this is a Democratic fiasco.

www.youtube.... com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&eurl=http://getsgreased.blogspot.com/2008/09/s-190-federal-housing-enterprise.html

CADD

reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 04:03 PM by Stormdancer777

Strategy for forcing political change through orchestrated crisis

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

the “Cloward-Piven Strategy”

The new "voting rights" coalition combines mass voter registration drives -- typically featuring high levels of fraud -- with systematic intimidation of election officials in the form of frivolous lawsuits, unfounded charges of "racism" and "disenfranchisement," and "direct action" (street protests, violent or otherwise). Just as they swamped America's welfare offices in the 1960s, Cloward-Piven devotees now seek to overwhelm the nation's understaffed and poorly policed electoral system. Their tactics set the stage for the Florida recount crisis of 2000, and have introduced a level of fear, tension and foreboding to U.S. elections heretofore encountered mainly in Third World countries.

Both the Living Wage and Voting Rights movements depend heavily on financial support from George Soros's Open Society Institute and his "Shadow Party," through whose support the Cloward-Piven strategy continues to provide a blueprint for some of the Left's most ambitious campaigns.

reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 04:44 PM by Stormdancer777

OBAMA CAUGHT SAYING ACORN AND FRIENDS WILL SHAPE HIS PRESIDENTIAL AGENDA

www.youtube.com...://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=35506

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reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 04:49 PM by Fromabove

All I can say after being zapped by the ATSTP so many times, is that I want to thank the poster of the thread for doing a good job in reporting all the outside sources. This thread will be around till election day. Obama has some very strong connections with acorn.

reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 10:48 PM by davion

Originally posted by TheRooster
elections.foxnews.com... lls-beans/

Having been a kid and now a father, much can be gleaned from an individual by the company he keeps. I remember some of my own associatons and wonder if my old man ever "bought any of my stories".

What struck me as odd about the article is a quote by O'Bama. "I regret it," Obama said at the time. "I'm going to make sure that from this point on I don't even come close to the line." The quote was in reference to this...

In 2005, the Obamas paid $1.65 million for their home near the University of Chicago. The sellers wanted a parcel they owned next door to sell on the same day, and Rezko's wife, Rita, was the buyer. At the request of the Obamas, Mrs. Rezko later sold them a 10-foot strip of land to enlarge their lot. They paid $104,500.

Apparently you don't read over your own articles:

"Rezko also was friendly with Obama -- offering him a job when he finished law school, funding his earliest political campaigns and purchasing a lot next to his house. But based on the known facts, charges so far and testimony at Rezko's trial, there's no indication there'll be an October surprise that could hurt the Democratic presidential nominee -- even though Rezko says prosecutors are pressing him for dirt about Obama."

And:

"Obama has sent to charity $159,000 that Rezko raised for his campaigns for the state legislature, the House and the Senate. Rezko raised nothing for Obama's White House run."

"Obama's name came up in testimony at the trial four times, twice in connection with an obscure legislative memo, as a guest at a Rezko party and when defense attorney Joseph Duffy told jurors his client was a friend of the senator."

"None of the witnesses accused the Democratic nominee for president of doing anything improper."

Questions about his home still linger? Maybe only in Fox's little world:

I say, I say, I say awwww too bad

reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 10:55 PM by MorningStar8741

I really appreciate this. It is quite interesting and informative. I just wish that I was not already hearing about it 24/7 on Fox and talk radio. I wish someone would spend a little time looking at John McCain. Both candidates are dirty to the bone but McCain keeps getting away with this "look over there" tactic. I do appreciate all this though since it is LOT more informative than Hannity and I got to chose to read it.

Ok, it was helpful and informative in the OP. As for the rest of the thread...eh. I do not understand why anyone would be a member of a site like this and then still use FOX as a reference or source.

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reply posted on 12-10-2008 @ 11:06 PM by TheRooster

reply to post by davion

Oh no I read it! Read every bit of it, I just know the truth is buried in there somewhere. As we speak, Rezko is with federal investigators rolling over on all of them, it will be interesting to see what happens. And if you don't think that Rezko raised money for O'Bama's run for the Whitehouse, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. O'Bama has raised soooooo much money it can't be traced, and as sure as I'm sitting here, Rezco contributed, I just can't prove it...

Yet!

reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 10:34 AM by TheRooster

Former Obama fundraiser Rezko, convicted of fraud, spills beans

Jailed political fundraiser Antoin ''Tony'' Rezko, the Chicago real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive.

Source: www.suntimes.com... ezko-obama-election-101108.article

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reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 09:56 PM by TheRooster

Originally posted by MorningStar8741
As for the rest of the thread...eh. I do not understand why anyone would be a member of a site like this and then still use FOX as a reference or source.

Sorry, I missed your post and the back handed reference to using Fox news. I prefer to use Fox when I know the exact same info can be found elswhere, it really pisses off the libs.

Is this better?
www.suntimes.com... ezko-obama-election-101108.article

And as far as this goes...

I wish someone would spend a little time looking at John McCain. Both candidates are dirty to the bone but McCain keeps getting away with this "look over there" tactic.

You have got to be kidding me bro, between these two weenies running for POTUS, the one getting a pass from EVERYONE is BHO.

Edited to add: If you think Fox is such a ship of tools, what are you doing listening to them 24/7 ?

I just wish that I was not already hearing about it 24/7 on Fox and talk radio.

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reply posted on 13-10-2008 @ 11:26 PM by MorningStar8741

reply to post by TheRooster

Yes, I listen to FOX on the radio and I watch it on TV. I watch and listen to alot of news. I also then like to do research and find the truth. I do not understand why that concerns you at all but the truth is when you put all the calbe news together and all the talk radio together, all you will hear about is Obama and who he is linked with. Please show me one example of John McCain getting the same scrutiny. I guarantee if you take a poll, anyone can tell you the names of Obama's nefarious ties, how many can tell you about the lowlife scum that should also disqualify McCain from office? How many? Seriously. If you think he is getting a free pass, the all you watch is FOX because in between talkig bad about him, they keep reminding us that the MSM is letting it slide. Change the channel, they are talking about the same thing. McCain's bad ties get just about nothing. Or are you saying that I can not go anywhere and hear about Obama and who he should not hang out with and I did not have to dig myself to see where McCain's dirty little fingers have been?

reply posted on 14-10-2008 @ 12:10 PM by FlyersFan

I just heard that McCain will be making Ayers part of the upcoming debate.
He needs to make ACORN part of it. Considering the MASSIVE voter fraud going on with ACORN, and the fact that Obama was their lawyer, and the fact that Obama claims ACORN activities as a big part of his 'community organizing' that allegedly makes him capable of being POTUS ... ACORN should be part of the debate AND it should be big news on all the channels.

What Obama's symbol should really be -