Originally posted by ElectroMagnetic Multivers
Logic is a point of view, it varies from person to person, therefore your logic, isn't the same as mine.
Actually, no. Logic of the eternal is not a point of view, opinion is. I'm implementing objective logic here, not subjective opinion.
However, replacing figure of speech with technicality, the logic that I am presenting is a point of view that we all share, but most are not aware of,
IMO, we are never right, we can only be close to the right answer, or know we're near it, and even if we were right, we couldn't know it in
this life time, so it wouldn't matter.
Then is what you just said above right? If we can never be right, according to your opinion, then why do you make such statements about it? You're
obviously wrong either way by default of your opinion as soon as you begin to speak about it. You refute yourself.
You're distraught, and I'm sorry for this. I hope you see the way clearly and that you find what's RIGHT. Empty subjective opinions do not matter
to eternity, truth does.
Agreed, IMO, we are all a matter of experience, the experience of individuality, an all knowing being could comprehend and experience
everything, except individuality,
According to your own opinion, again, you are not right because you can't ever be.
But according to universal logic, anyway, you are still not right. The eternal one is an individual itself and at the same time it is not. It
experiences itself as an individual through creatures, yet is one essence shared by all.
Furthermore, anything that is singular is an individual. In-divi-dual, it takes two things to know individuality. Eternity can only be one. As its
immeasurable essence it is not an individual, or if you wish to call it an individual because it is a ONE, then it has no other eternal one which to
could comprehend it, but not experience it, this IMO, is what the universe was, one concsious being, and was created by a conscious action, of
splitting itself into all its forms, I am one of those forms, aswell as a rock, a molecule, a plant or planet or star.
There was no creation. Everything always has been. Eternity can not be created, it defines itself as having no beginning and no end.
Either way, what you say is not right, admitted by you. You will only go as far as speculation if you don't believe in truth v.s. fallacy. When you
believe that you can be right and you realize how important the truth is, you may become more pedantic and well thought out logically.
Although I agree, that essentially we are all one, but IMO, individuality is the key. When we die, we will reincarnate again, as whatever we
choose, what ever we haven't already experienced, we will experience,
There is no choice, that's an illusion. You say whatever we haven't already experienced, if time is eternal then we've already experienced eternal
things, that is according to your logic. Because time is never beginning from the present back, and never ending from the present forward. This again
is only your opinion and has nothing to do with the way that the universe objectively works. Individuality is experienced through the creature, but
the soul is one eternity shared. No souls, plural, are eternal as explained, only the eternal one. There is no possible way for us to reincarnate as
individual souls, this individuality is only the experience of this single creature called the Human, however this does not mean that the energy that
makes up our bodies will not be recycled into other things, as we should all know by now.
from our eternal point of view, each and everyone/thing will go through this, becoming everything that could possibly be and adding that
experience to their overall experience, thus altering their perception of the 'universe', as a whole, as well as in part.
You can only be everything there is to be if there is an finite amount of things and an infinite amount of time and also only if you are one of many
eternal individual souls that is reincarnating (already explained why this can't be), therefore you must believe that the creatures of the universe
are finite and static in genre, and thus also either not evolving or static in nature. However, if the creatures are infinite in genre and infinitely
changing in an infinite time and not repeating itself exactly the same way twice, then it is impossible for an eternal individual soul to be
A ratio of eternal time subsequent to a finite amount of things will eventuate into the conclusion that you present above, however, as with time,
space too is eternal. Therefore the things to be are infinite. Your consciousness that you experience right now is only a result of receiving the 5
senses of the individual creature's body that you experience yourself as. You are not an eternal, yet finite being, but you are sharing the eternal
soul as a finite creature.
I don't agree with being dead eternally to be honest, I'm not going to say your wrong, as I don't know if I'm right, so have no gauge to
compare, something people tend to forget. For me, it makes no sense, you suggest we get our measley 80 years ish (if your lucky) out of the rest of
eternity? for what? everything in nature is based on harmony, balance, this offers no balance, that I can see.
Balance and perfection is the way that everything already is, whether you expect it or agree with it.
Again, morality and logic are human concepts, to describe a way to act or behave. Would you go out and kill someone if you weren't told
They are not only Human concepts, they are concepts of all sentient creatures. It is a logical question. Do you wish to survive or die as a species?
If you choose survive and you really mean it, then love must be the way, and sooner or later you will develop and/or remember caring. If you do not
care, then your choice will not be love.
So, to survive as a technologically advanced species takes love, neutrality, ally, and an awareness of shared unity through the individuality of the
Logic is the same, it's a human concept
No, flawless logic, logic of the eternal, that which leads to truth is universal.
Thank you for your reply. Please do understand that I am not attempting to be harsh nor mean or rude if it may come off as such. All I can do is be
[edit on 9-9-2008 by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal]