UN says eat less meat to curb global warming

reply to post by Phatcat

Well, the US of A wants to lead the world ? Then lead by example!

Personally, even as an American, I do not want to lead the world.

America now has no moral ground whatsoever to tell people what to do in this regard

Absolutely correct. And neither does the UN.

It's like the US has a lawnmower capable of mowing several acres a day and then opting not to mow their lawn 'cause those neighbours also don't', all the while ignoring those other guys maybe have a pair of scissors to do the job..

Maybe you haven't noticed, but that lawnmower is broken right now. Our economy is slipping away quickly.

China, on the other hand, has an awesome expanding economy. Maybe it's not up to the level of the USA yet, but at the rate they are progressing, I would bet they overtake us in wealth any year now. The big difference is that the USA is built on individual responsibility and prosperity, while China is more communistic/socialistic. So I guess we'll see how much of that wealth goes to the citizens of China, and how much goes to the ruling class.

However, this thread is not about China or the USA. It is about the UN. I simply corrected you on the point that Kyoto specifically excludes China and India. Care to rebut that?

TheRedneck

reply to post by TheRedneck


I never rebut the thruth, you are correct in this

The Kyoto treaty is anything but perfect, but it is a place to start, which was sorely needed. Heck, countrys can even 'buy' clean air points from countrys with no industry to speak of while not actively lowering polution levels, and still be considered 'on course'.

But do you think these rising industrialist countrys will ever change their ways if the USA, which has reaped the rewards of raping mother nature for so much longer, does not even think about changing it's ways ?

And the UN is an organ I have to take seriously because I live in Europe, and so much of what they decide changes our lives in many tangible ways, but that does not mean I agree with most they decide in the first place, as do most other people.

Except the people who financially benefit from their antics offcourse.. the leading class will allways be fans of world goverment..

Originally posted by Phatcat

And the UN is an organ I have to take seriously because I live in Europe, and so much of what they decide changes our lives in many tangible ways, but that does not mean I agree with most they decide in the first place, as do most other people.

Exactly the reason many of us in America fight these inane declarations by the UN tooth & nail. There is a faction in this country who would gladly have us hand over the keys to the liquer cabinet to the UN and allow them to set policy in virtually ever sector. Some with this mindset have even held high positions in our government, in fact, some have even run (or are currently running) for the highest position of authority in our country. To me that is completely unacceptable, and to our United States Constitution, it is illegal. Our sovreignty is tantamount and OUR well being, prosperity, growth, and progress are to be held above the interests of any other nation where our leaders are concerned... or at least it always should be that way.

The European countries have handed their sovreignity over gladly to the European Union which, in turn, has offered them over to the UN to set policy for every EU nation. Welcome to slavery under your new king, globalism. Kyoto represents part of that slavery.

Also, carbon credits are the biggest farce & fraud going today. Talk about finding a way to stuff the pockets of the elitists! Take Al Gore as an example... He is one of the loudest proponents of man driven global warming & carbon offset credits & taxation. Not surprising, he also sits on the board of some of the companies which collect these offsets and he owns stock in said companies as well. He's making money by the bucketfulls off of gullible rubes who think they're "making a difference" by donating a couple of bucks for every car trip they make to offset the CO2 they generate, never realizing that only pennies to the dollar are used of that money with the rest going to company board members under the auspices of opperating expenses and stock dividends. SCAM!

reply to post by manson_322

Americans are fully responsible for global warming .....

Your venemous anti-Americanism is purely ignorant. The problems of Western society are not exclusively American.

they pollute the world by eatting to much meat

Most societies of the world eat meat as a staple of their diets. Particulalry inland areas of Asia, Europe, etc. The Indian subcontinent is the only region that I know of that has a particulalry vegetarian diet, though it is by no means free of carniverous eating habits as well.

they pollute the world with their inefficient monster size SUVs

This may come as a surprise to you, but there are a huge number of Americans who can't even afford a car, much less to drive an SUV. And again not to mention the fact that there are plenty of other countries that pollute with their vehicles. And then of course I have to point out the fact that the majority of the pollution in the world is the result of industry, not personal vehicles. The sort of pollution that has increased exponentially in China in recent years.

Your other two points aren't even worthy of discussion in this thread.

reply to post by Phatcat

Thee Kyoto treaty is anything but perfect, but it is a place to start, which was sorely needed. Heck, countrys can even 'buy' clean air points from countrys with no industry to speak of while not actively lowering polution levels, and still be considered 'on course'.

And this is exactly why I do not condone it. Just having a place to start is far from making a good start. That is not to say that any such attempt must be 'perfect' from the beginning. But to totally exempt certain countries who are growing industry faster than any country ever has in history is far from a minor flaw; it is a major obstacle to fairness and equity, and will do nothing except breed anger among the people of both countrys. The one who is included, because they will lose their livelihood, and the one which is excluded because at some point in time, they will have to play like everyone else.

But do you think these rising industrialist countrys will ever change their ways if the USA, which has reaped the rewards of raping mother nature for so much longer, does not even think about changing it's ways ?

I don't think taking from one bully and giving to another makes the other any more compassionate. And you forget that nature is still alive and well in the USA. Not only are there vast, vast stretches of non-cities, even the cities are lowering pollution levels by leaps and bounds. There is more that can be done besides signing one treaty.

And the UN is an organ I have to take seriously because I live in Europe, and so much of what they decide changes our lives in many tangible ways, but that does not mean I agree with most they decide in the first place, as do most other people.

burdman beat me to this; he is absolutely right. That is the best argument I can imagine for not going along with every scheme endorsed by the UN.

Can you imagine if the USA along with the rest of the world were to roll over and allow UN atrocities to go unchallenged? then you would be in an even worse state, with no hope of anyone combating those policies you disagree with.

This thread is about one of those policies.

TheRedneck

HeY, I posted the same article on GLP!
Great find!Its very important to let the people know about the true agenda behind 'global warming'.
Thank you for spreading the word.

Hmm, when a major politician from the 'establishment' raises a ruckus and crys wolf I'm also not eager to believe him. So I'm going to concede there might be something for me to change my mind on the issue.

thing is, the climate IS changing, to my perception anyway..

when I was a kid, the weather would be hot during the summertime school break.

but these days, juli and august are wetter, have less sun, and colder then I remember them, and now in September it's allmost like a heatwave.. it's now 23:44 here and I'm soaking in sweat, only wearing a T-shirt, and not using any heating devices.

And according to our meteorological service, the amount of sunshine hours was allmost half of normal, so I'm not blowing smoke out of my bottom orifice, either.

I wonder if the weather pattern is also changing in other countrys beside Belgium where I live. And most of all I wonder what is causing this..

HAARP ? Pollution ? An increase of the Sun's intensity ?

I've heard logical conclusions linking this to all of the above, it's hard to see the trees through the forest :s

But, before our goverment signed the Kyoto protocol, most of our rivers where clinically dead. and now, with a few years of effort, which did cost us, taxpayers, there are again populations of fish thriving in rivers that where among the most poluted of our country.

I think that our goverment was right in signing, and I do feel results are showing in a real way, which can only benefit the health of myself, my relatives, and my countrymen, and, since no land is a true island, by extension, also to the neighbouring countrys.

Why continue to poison your own land, where your children must one day live on, when your industry has the means to put an end to it but refuses to do so 'because it undermines their competetive edge' ?

It all circles back down to the Allmighty Dollar