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reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 04:02 PM by JohnnyQuest18
reply to post by mattystuff



The ingredients of a sea bag are:

Oyster, Sea Urchin, Eel, Kelp, Sea Bush, Sea Horse, Sea Creature, See's Candy and other assorted sea paraphernalia all smashed into a shark pouch.

YUM!!!


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 05:38 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by burdman30ott6



Well that is a problem with vegetarians and not vegetarianism, but yeah I understand what you are saying.

I personally see that more from the vegan end, and not so much from the vegetarian end.

Honestly I have seen the militant attitude from both sides, meat-eaters not excluded.

Since I became a vegetarian roughly 6 years ago, I cannot even begin to count how many times a meat-eater brought up my vegetarian diet in a bad light, completely unprovoked by me. I go to a restaurant with a group of people, they hear me order a vegetarian dish, and I can always count on at least one of them cracking some hippie peta joke... or even become pro-meat industry activists

The militant attitude is definetly on both sides.


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 05:46 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



How do you get your protein for muscle mass? Large quantities of soy? When you are training how do you get your caloric intake? Lots of high carb grain products?

Olympic athletes eat huge quantities of calories when they train do they not? Is it possible to get them on veggies only without the destructive carbs from grains? I learned my lesson on those and so will others as they get older. Power down that pasta and pay with years off your life in the end.

Weight lifters are fit but they die far younger than others and so do some athletes. Its not nice to mess with mother nature who made us all to be hunter gatherers. A natural diet does not include grains as our teeth are not even the right kind to eat them unless we grind and cook them into mush or bread and pasta. Then you flood your body with BAD carbs. Sure you can get buff but at what price?

I could pick up two hundred pounds and run with it when younger and crack walnuts with my biceps, but I'm paying now for all those carbs. Since my blood sugar and blood pressure go back to normal on a high protein (meat) low carb (veggies) diet, where am I going wrong?

Also, soy products taste bad You are welcome to my share


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 05:51 PM by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Blaine91555



Before I write a real reply to your post, I will say this real quick:

I am not saying meat in of itself doesn't have nutritional merit, because it does, obviously.

It's not my stance meat-eaters shouldn't eat meat. It's my stance that meat-eaters should eat organic free-range meat. So to answer your question of 'where am I going wrong' I would say, depends on where you buy your meat


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 06:53 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy



I'm in Alaska. I eat lots of Moose, Salmon and Halibut mixed with some beef and chicken.

As I understand it, it just does not get more nutritious or better than Moose and Salmon in your diet. Beyond what I've mentioned I order a tenderloin of Elk now and then but it is expensive. We have no Elk up here but I got used to it when I lived in Idaho and hunted Elk and Deer. Elk is my favorite meat of them all. It is even better than Beef IMO.


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 06:59 PM by Blaine91555
reply to post by wingman77



Could he do that without unnatural supplements or masses of carbs? How are they better than meat?

I've browsed through health food stores and one thing I found on the labels that troubled me is all the carbs and sugar. They are very creative in hiding them with confusing names, but that does not change the fact they turn to sugar when digested. Not to mention the incredible prices!

Since our life expectancy goes up every generation, the things found in meat can't be as bad as they are made out to be. Stat's say otherwise.


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:01 PM by iceofspades
Read this six times, think about it for a minute, and read it again:

You are all missing the point.

1 Pound of beef requires 14-16 pounds of grain and about 5200 gallons of water.

Average water requirement, x gallons:


2.5 acres of land can support, x pounds:


Basically, meat DOES increase pollution, regardless of the huge amounts of methane they emit. The resources they use, land, water, and grain, would be enough to feed everyone on this planet and then some, but fat sedentary westerners are too stuck in their ways to realize that beef is probably the most ludicrous food source ever conceived.

I think of beef as a decadent meat; a sign of a dead culture.


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 07:58 PM by TheRedneck
jackinthebox, you are correct. From the article referenced:

Pachauri ... said diet change was important because of the huge greenhouse gas emissions and other environmental problems - including habitat destruction - associated with rearing cattle and other animals. It was relatively easy to change eating habits compared to changing means of transport, he said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Source:
www.guardian.co.uk...

Apparently, knowledge is not a requirement for the position. Apparently wisdom is a detriment. Meat production will not immediately decrease should people stop eating meat. Instead, the price would drop and that would raise the amount of meat consumed, which would in turn increase the amount of animals grown, which would increase the cost of meat, drive down the demand... in short, it would create a bi-polar meat market that would range from cheap to inordinately expensive.

All this, to reduce methane production? Methane is not a long-lived molecule, breaking down in the earth's atmosphere to produce water and CO2. Of course, someone is bound to argue that even the CO2 is deadly, but considering the vast herds of buffalo that roamed the plains way back when, I don't think we are pushing the ability of the earth to handle cow burps and the resulting CO2.

Less apparent though, is the possibility that both are abundant in this report, if the true agendas are shown.

This is nothing more than a two-pronged propaganda attack: firstly, it tries to push a favorite agenda, namely vegetarianism. Secondly, it keeps the concept of Global Warming fresh in the minds of the populace, ready and waiting for the next sensationalized article about some glacier disintegrating.

The true agenda is control over oil (including higher prices through restrictions and carbon credits), removal of meat from the diet of the common people*, profits from newer energy sources artificially inflated by over-regulation, and overall population control through global catastrophic scare campaigns.

*It should be noted here that meat protein is now commonly assumed to be the major reason for initial development of human brain capacity. That brain capacity allows individuals to think for themselves. What better way to control the masses than to prevent the consumption of that protein? Check out the feeding habits of the wealthy; it is a safe bet to assume they will be able to continue with a diet high in meat proteins.

TheRedneck
(due to a computer malfunction, this post was created yesterday afternoon.)


[edit on 8-9-2008 by TheRedneck]


reply posted on 8-9-2008 @ 09:46 PM by TheRedneck
reply to post by iceofspades
1 Pound of beef requires 14-16 pounds of grain and about 5200 gallons of water.

Yes, it does require more grain than it produces meat. No argument there.

But it uses up no water. Any water needed does not disappear. It is returned to the water cycle. There is just as much water now as there has ever been. This argument is fallacious.

Water is a very stable molecule which does not disappear when it is 'used'. Even if it is split into hydrogen and oxygen, those elements tend to recombine into water again. There is no water shortage, never has been, and never will be (short of some sort of astronomical catastrophe that either freezes or evaporates our water into space... and should that happen, I doubt cow-burps will be our main concern )

Just try to drain the oceans... try to stop the rain... did I mention that burning fossil fuels produces more water?

TheRedneck
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