Why don't contrails show up on water vapor satellite? Because they are chemtrails., page 3
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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 11:09 PM by weedwhacker
reply to post by Manasseh



Sorry, Manasseh, that photo of the interior of an airplane does NOT help your argument, here.

It's been floating around the web for soime time now. It is being mis-represented by people very desperate to find a shred of evidence for 'chemtrails'.

That photo, with rows of what look like beer kegs....those are water tanks. That is the Boeing 777-300 in flight testing. They use water to simulate the payload, and move the water around to change the CG, as part of flight testing and performance evaluation protocol.

Gosh, I saw one months ago, where someone had Photoshopped a sign labeling what was obviously the lavatory as "HazMat". Thought that was a funny bit.

Your 'water vapor' satellite imaging idea is certainly clever, but it has been repeatedly pointed out that contrails are ice. Just like cirrus clouds. Oh! Did I mention? You likely won't see the cirrus clouds either, on a water-vapor satellite image.

Now....you cannot have it both ways---you simply cannot believe that EVERY commercial jet sprays a 'chemtrail'. So, let's say the Military IS spraying? OK....then if a normal contrail from a commercial airliner is expected to show up in your satellite imagery, then those should show up, eh?

Ever seen a contrail that lasts for just a mile or so, behind the airplane, then disappears (sublimates)?

Oh, as far as clever goes, the liquid CO2....that is rich! Why not just throw shaved dry ice out the window?

Do you unhderstand how weather RADAR works? Not just what's on the ground, but airborn WX RADAR as well? All it does is read the returns from WATER! Liquid water, not vapor....Flying an airplane through a cloud of vapor will provide no return on the screen. Liquid water in the cloud indicates a potential for convective activity, and turbulence....dangerous turbulence. So, airborn WX RADAR is an effective, and necessary tool, for the airline pilot to avoid flying through an active weather 'cell'....fancy name for a thundercloud. And potentially deadly, airplane-breaking turbulence.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? It goes to how rain is formed, whether naturally or artifically....water will not condense from its vapor state to liquid withoud some sort of particulate matter to trigger the process. Rain clouds (cumulus) generally live below 30000 feet --- well below. A huge Cumulo-Nimbus may top out above 40000 feet....but it's just poking its head up. The convective activity, up and down drafts, collect and carry the water....a tall storm will carry the water high enough to freeze, and voila! You get hail.

But, most rain occurs from below, oh 20000 feet or so. Maybe Essan could be more specific.

Cheers!





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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 11:53 PM by badmedia
reply to post by weedwhacker



Well if it doesn't pick up ice then that is a good explanation. I checked and you are right about cirrus clouds being ice. Hard to tell if the vapor images show those kinds of clouds or not however due to all the other vapor around.

Why doesn't the water vapor imagery show ice though? I understand 1 is a gas, the other is a solid. But both are forms of water in the atmosphere. Not saying you are wrong or whatever, just kinda curious on why is all. Is it on purpose?


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 12:54 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by badmedia



bad, it has to so with the density.

Wispy cirrus, made of tiny ice crystals (and contrails, for that matter) are simply not dense enough to reflect RADAR.

As I've mentioned, water and hail will reflect the RADAR. Hail is sometimes encased in a thin film of water, while it is in the clouds.

As to airborn Color WX RADAR (state of the art today) I can't remember the rates of rainfall or water density that related to the three colors. Green is less than one standard, Yellow and Red show increasing amounts of water, of course. Most current systems also have magenta to indicate a Doppler reading (horizontal movement)....areas to definately avoid!

The OP has mentioned Silver Iodide, and liquid CO2....but we can't seem to pin him down on which method is allegedly being used, nor by whom.

Perhaps some rhetoric can be toned down, and more understanding will come to light.


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 03:15 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by ziggy1706



ziggy you are mostly correct, about engine exhausts.

ANY internal combustion engine (and a jet engine qualifies as such) that burns petro-chemicals will have an exhaust....of burnt and unburnt petro-chemical residue.

Of course, the exhaust is hot....from a jet engine, about 600 to 700 degrees C. However, at 35000 feet, the temperature is somewhere around -40 to -45C The exhaust gases are hot (the engines are hotter, of course) and it's the sudden heating and cooling of the surrounding atmosphere that will produce a contrail, given sufficient water vapor.

I think anyone who lives on Earth, in very, very cold weather has seen the same effect coming out of the tail pipes of your car. Hard to realize, I know, but it is essentially the same effect.



reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 04:55 AM by lee anoma
Originally posted by Manasseh

Why do they not show up in water vapor satellite images?


It may be due to distance, as some have pointed out. Don't get me wrong I also believe that the government is spraying chemicals over areas at times but of course there is no proof of this. Going by history it is still very possible. After all, at one point the government dumped a bacterial fog over parts of San Fransisco to test the effectiveness of a biological attack on American soil.

...Mr. Nevin's family learned what they believe was the cause of the infection, linked at the time to the hospitalizations of 10 other patients. In Senate subcommittee hearings in 1977, the U.S. Army revealed that weeks before Mr. Nevin sickened and died, the Army had staged a mock biological attack on San Francisco, secretly spraying the city with Serratia and other agents thought to be harmless.

The goal: to see what might happen in a real germ-warfare attack. The experiment, which involved blasting a bacterial fog over the entire 49-square-mile city from a Navy vessel offshore, was recorded with clinical nonchalance: "It was noted that a successful BW [biological warfare] attack on this area can be launched from the sea, and that effective dosages can be produced over relatively large areas," the Army wrote in its 1951 classified report on the experiment.
mindfully.org


Originally posted by MatrixBaller04
I'm sorry but you are an idiot.


Is name calling really necessary?
Even if the OP is wrong just state the reason why, without childish insults.

p.s. Guys PLEASE stop excessively quoting a whole page worth of a reply. It's annoying seeing the same long post twice and having to go all the way to the bottom for a three sentence reply.

Thanks,


- Lee


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 05:01 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by firepilot



firepilot.....nice to know a voice of reason can still show up!!

Problem is, these 'chemtrail' believers don't really know what a KingAir is. AND how high it can fly.

Nor do they understand what kind of payload a KingAir can carry, compared to a large jet!

All of this talk about Liquid CO2....ummmmm.....that stuff has weight. So does Silver Iodide.

Do the laymen in the audience not realize the ramifications of weight, when it comes to airplanes???? Seems not.....

Folks, a KingAir or a pressurized Cessna (when properly equipped), perfect for 'cloud-seeding' to make rain! But, no way, no how, will they make a contrail, much less a 'chemtrail'!


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 05:16 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by weedwhacker



Look.....perhaps I should approach from a different direction....

The total surface area of our planet Earth is (according to Google)

510,065,600 square kilometers. For comparison's sake, that equates to 196,937,429 square miles.

Now, our atmosphere is pretty thin, and I admit at an altitude of a few miles up, the total surface 'area' would be slightly larger....but I think I'm making a point here.

Just exactly how many airplanes would be needed to 'spray' enough to seriously make an impact???

Nearly 200 million square miles? So, a few jets, leaving a 'trail' a few miles long, and half a mile wide? Multiplied by....what???? 600 million airplanes?

Come on, logic dictates.....it does not compute.



reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 08:36 AM by Manasseh
reply to post by weedwhacker




Problem is, these 'chemtrail' believers don't really know what a KingAir is. AND how high it can fly.

Nor do they understand what kind of payload a KingAir can carry, compared to a large jet!

All of this talk about Liquid CO2....ummmmm.....that stuff has weight. So does Silver Iodide.


As a former crew chief on the EP-3A (P-3) aircraft, I know a few things about aviation.

The weight of silver iodide?


Vaporized, silver iodide yields about 600,000 billion particles per gram-the amount you can put on your fingernail-each a potential snowflake or raindrop.

Besides being highly diffusive, with one gram filling several cubic miles of sky, silver iodide takes effect sooner than nature's own nuclei. It goes to work at around 25° down in the lower, more moist cloud layers rather than holding off until it is much colder. Since that is the temperature where most of the water is-sometimes three-quarters of the cloud-silver iodide clearly improves on nature's own seeds as a rainmaker.

www.weathersage.com...

Every claim I have made is backed up by an external source.

I have seen the debunker do no such thing.
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