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Why don't contrails show up on water vapor satellite? Because they are chemtrails.

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Topic started on 6-9-2008 @ 04:23 PM by Manasseh

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Scientists will tell you that those long trails left behind aircraft are just water vapor, and you should just go back to watching TV, instead of questioning the "experts"

Contrails form high in the atmosphere when the mixture of water vapor in the aircraft exhaust and the air condenses and freezes.

www.nasa.gov...

Well "experts", tell me this. If they are just water vapor, why don't they show up on water vapor satellite images.

Take a look at todays water vapor satellite image.

Image source

Yet here is an "enhanced infrared" satellite image from NASA

Image source

Why do they not show up in water vapor satellite images?

Because they are not water vapor at all.

They are using silver iodide to manipulate the weather.
See my previous thread, How cloud seeding will kill us all

However, cloud seeding with silver iodide doesn't work to well unless the atmosphere is cold enough. So they us LIQUID CARBON DIOXIDE to supercool the atmosphere.

Research into cloud seeding began in 1946, when Vincent Schaefer of General Electric noticed that a small piece of solid carbon dioxide (dry ice) can generate a large number of ice crystals in a laboratory-generated supercooled fog. He then went up in a small aircraft and dropped about 1.5 kg of crushed dry ice into supercooled stratocumulus clouds over western Massachusetts, and found that snow crystals did indeed fall out from the cloud. In the following year Bernard Vonnegut of General Electric found that particles of silver iodide can also generate large numbers of ice crystals if the cloud is cold enough.

physicsworld.com...

This invention relates to the modification of supercooled clouds. The principle of the current large-scale weather modification method, including the technique of rain augmentation seeding, involves artificial generation of ice crystals in supercooled clouds and fogs with a resultant spontaneous phase change
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There exist two methods of artificially generating the ice crystals, i.e., by homogeneous and heterogeneous ice nucleations. The former works when a portion of the cloud is chilled below -40° C. by a strong coolant.
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Silver iodide (AgI) and metaldehyde are examples of artificial ice nucleus substances. AgI, the most widely used nucleus substance for weather modification, is expensive and toxic to small or baby fish, algae and bacteria.
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FIG. 2 shows a design for the LC rack in aircraft use. It satisfies the requirement of being housed in a seeding aircraft and has been approved by the FAA (Federal Aviation Administration).
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To operate the seeding system, after confirming the existence of a seedable condition in the cloud, all the manual valves of the LC cylinders are kept open from the beginning, and a cylinder solenoid valve will be opened and kept open until the cylinder is empty. The empty condition may be determined by the warming of the seeding nozzle detected by the attached temperature sensor. When the first cylinder has been emptied, the cylinder solenoid valve will be closed and the second cylinder solenoid valve opened for continuing operation. This method will be applied until all the cylinders will have been emptied. In this manner, partially emptying the cylinders can be avoided, making their replacement more efficient.

www.freepatentsonline.com...

How is this affecting people?

A Stanford scientist has spelled out for the first time the direct links between increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and increases in human mortality, using a state-of-the-art computer model of the atmosphere that incorporates scores of physical and chemical environmental processes. The new findings, to be published in Geophysical Research Letters, come to light just after the Environmental Protection Agency's recent ruling against states setting specific emission standards for this greenhouse gas based in part on the lack of data showing the link between carbon dioxide emissions and their health effects.

news-service.stanford.edu...

Seen any strange fog lately?

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 05:52 PM by Enigma Publius

i don' tknow a lot about the stelite images...but it looks like a smoking gun...can someone objectively say wrether vapor would show up on that image if it wasn't just chemicals? The thing i wonder about is why NO trails arevisble in the first image...i've seen planes leave a more natural looking trail that didn't stick around like the chemtrails i think i saw, so shouldn't there be a few of these on the first image? i'm not qualified to say but good post, i'll keep an eye on it.

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 06:47 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by Enigma Publius

Yes, I would like to see a suitable answer.

contrails form through the injection of water vapor into the atmosphere by exhaust fumes from a jet engine. If there is sufficient mixing between the cold upper tropospheric air and the hot exhaust gases to produce a state of saturation, ice crystals will develop.

ask.yahoo.com...

So, if contrails (I call em chemtrails) are truly just water vapor, they would show up on the water vapor satellite images.

But they don't.

Where are the weather "experts" to debunk this one.

I would like to see what kind of lies they have cooked up for this one.

Oz? Essan? Anyone?

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 07:30 PM by Manasseh

Here's a pretty good video with Alex Jones narrating.

YouTube Link

And here's the journal of weather modification.

It's only 36 pages long.
www.weathermodification.org...

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 07:34 PM by semperfortis

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

From your own source..

These images from the NOAA-17 satellite taken during the morning of March 20, 2004, show how a contrail outbreak can appear to be regular cloud cover. The image on the left is a standard infrared satellite image, while that on the right uses two infrared wavelengths to reveal contrails. Many of the contrails appear to be from planes either coming from or going to central and southern California. Other contrails are due to aircraft on southeast-northwest tracks into Seattle and Portland. The contrails and resulting cirrus clouds are blown eastward by winds during the day.

Apparently they do show up

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Semper

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 07:43 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by semperfortis

Umm, those are INFRARED imaged, not standard water vapor images.

Here is the most current WATER VAPOR satellite image. Not a contrail in sight.

weather.unisys.com...

Why do they have to show enhanced infrared satellite images to get contrails to show up if they are water vapor. They SHOULD be showing up in the water vapor images, but they don't.

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:05 PM by Enigma Publius

what about the trails that disappear like we would expect them to in stead of hanging around for an hr or more and frming what looks like a cloud? like i said earlier, i've observed two contrails side by side that acted VERY differently, i don't belive all contrail are chemtrail, so why isn't any of the "normal ones" showing up on the non enhanced image? I wan to stress this is not an attempt to debunk or provide proof...it just confuses me, why are normal people like me & the OP having to take up slack from those who are experts on this? why aren't they commenting?

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:06 PM by MatrixBaller04

*snip* As much as I would really like to believe that the contrails we see everyday are chemtrails (Not that i want them to be, but because it shows that conspiracy theorists are right for once), I'm going to have to say this isn't proof.

The satellite images you are showing us don't pick up on thin, spread out water vapor. The massive huge clouds is what it picks up on.

This is straight from NASA:

Contrails are often more difficult for satellites to detect than clouds, especially when they remain narrow and do not spread outward.

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:12 PM by semperfortis

reply to post by Manasseh

Again, from your own source material..

show how a contrail outbreak can appear to be regular cloud cover.

Mystery Solved

Semper

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:14 PM by MatrixBaller04

Thank you

Not a one liner BTW

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:16 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by MatrixBaller04

Now who is the idiot?

Not that i want them to be, but because it shows that conspiracy theorists are right for once

You don't believe there are ANY conspiracies, but here you are, on a conspiracy forum.

If the satellite can't pick them up, why are they showing up in the infrared images, superstar?

The satellite images you are showing us don't pick up on thin, spread out water vapor. The massive huge clouds is what it picks up on.

BS. There is at least 30 sitting in the sky right now. But you government funded spooks (psyops) will let millions die because you believe you are worthy, and they aren't...

Revenge will be sweet.

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:18 PM by peacejet

Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by semperfortis

Umm, those are INFRARED imaged, not standard water vapor images.

Here is the most current WATER VAPOR satellite image. Not a contrail in sight.

At high altitudes, the temperature is less and hence the contrails arent able to absorb much heat and so they are spotted only in near infrared region and that is why the images need modification to show them.

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:24 PM by MatrixBaller04

Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by MatrixBaller04

Now who is the idiot?

Not that i want them to be, but because it shows that conspiracy theorists are right for once

You don't believe there are ANY conspiracies, but here you are, on a conspiracy forum.

If the satellite can't pick them up, why are they showing up in the infrared images, superstar?

The satellite images you are showing us don't pick up on thin, spread out water vapor. The massive huge clouds is what it picks up on.

BS. There is at least 30 sitting in the sky right now. But you government funded spooks (psyops) will let millions die because you believe you are worthy, and they aren't...

Revenge will be sweet.

Just stop...You're starting to sound like that crazy sprinkler/rainbow woman. I believe in a few conspiracies, yes. I never said I didn't believe in them.

And infrared only picks it up why? Because it's infrared for gods sake. Think about it. If a satellite tried to pick up ALL water vapor, you would see nothing but a white sheet with a few gray spots here and there. They have to set the satellites so it only picks up the larger of the water vapor and shows it. Thus why you can see the huge thick water vapor of Hurricane Ike, yet you can't see the tiny, thin vapor of contrails.

Now, I am NOT saying chemtrails don't exist, but your way of proving they are real has waaaay too many holes in it.

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:25 PM by rightuos

All of your water vapor images are from a huge distance while the ifrared images are much closer. Got any water vapor images as zoomed in as the infrared? I have always wondered about these I have seen many times here where I have seen planes leaving them while in the same vicinity others leave none or smaller/ quicker dissipating trails.

edit: typos (stupid keyboard)

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:26 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by peacejet

Umm, BS BS BS.

Aircraft are believed to be responsible for 2 to 3 percent of human CO2 emissions. Like other high, thin clouds, contrails reflect sunlight back into space and cool the planet.

news.nationalgeographic.com...

They are reflecting enough sunlight back into space to contribute to global warming, yet satellite images need to be enhanced to see them..

I've got news for you. Chemtrails (you call em contrails) ARE the cause of global warming.

reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:32 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by MatrixBaller04

Calling me an idiot, when you don't even know me, is an example of your intelligence, or lack of it

And infrared only picks it up why? Because it's infrared for gods sake. Think about it. If a satellite tried to pick up ALL water vapor, you would see nothing but a white sheet with a few gray spots here and there.

So in the enhanced infrared images, why aren't the normal clouds showing up like the contrails do, since they are both made up of water vapor?

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:32 PM by peacejet

They are reflecting enough sunlight back into space to contribute to global warming, yet satellite images need to be enhanced to see them..

I've got news for you. Chemtrails (you call em contrails) ARE the cause of global warming.

Yes, thanks for the news, but I want to clarify one thing, how doe the contrails which are reflecting enough sunlight into space contribute to global warming it should be global cooling, because the sunlight doesnt have a chance to enter the earths atmosphere and get trapped due to the co2 and cause warming, please clarify.

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:38 PM by Manasseh

reply to post by peacejet

Yes, thanks for the news, but I want to clarify one thing, how doe the contrails which are reflecting enough sunlight into space contribute to global warming it be global cooling, please clarify.

Because silver iodide (silver salt) kills the trees, plants, everything eventually.

Take a look at the salt flats for example. The less greenery, the hotter it gets.

Also, the use of liquid carbon dioxide creates a haze that has a blanketing effect.

Combine that with the higher pollution from the extra air traffic, and you can probably figure it out, since your avatar has that fancy satellite (space station) in it.

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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:39 PM by Enigma Publius

look up how global warming works...
you don't seem to have a firm grip on the concept. go to wiki.
i myself don't buy it al, but i do understand the ideas behind it.
[this was a reply to peacejet by the way, sorry fr any confusion, i hit wrong reply button, and it appears to be a reply to the OP.]
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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 08:50 PM by peacejet

en.wikipedia.org...
I saw the on wiki and even it clearly states that only from below it exerts warming effect by trapping the gases.

Feedback effects due to clouds are an area of ongoing research. Seen from below, clouds emit infrared radiation back to the surface, and so exert a warming effect; seen from above, clouds reflect sunlight and emit infrared radiation to space, and so exert a cooling effect. Whether the net effect is warming or cooling depends on details such as the type and altitude of the cloud.

So, you see the reflecting sunlight does not cause global warming it causes cooling that is what I mentioned.