It was not flight 93 that created the crater, but it was shot down.

Just sitting here and thinking about this part of what may be the 9/11 somoking gun conspiracy and what would have to take place for it to be pulled off without raising too many flags I have come up with this scenario.

I am going off evidence others have brought forward which have placed questions in my mind about the official story.

I usually do not post in this forum because I still have no clear picture about what happened that day. But anyway, here it is...

Ok..
So, assuming flight 93 did not create the whole in the ground that was found in Shanksville Penn.

Obviously the question comes up...then what did?

Well, considering the scope of what happened that day, I think it is very conceivable that a secondary plan was initiated.

Here is what I think may have happened...

-The aircraft was taken over by "terrorists" as the phone calls and FAA reports indicate at the times mentioned. This gives the impression to the public that all that was said to occur really happened the way they said. In other words, why lie when you just have to omit a few details?

- the crew and passengers did exactly what was said they did. They took and overran the "terrorists"...possibly killing them (or even worse for the conspirators, keeping them alive). They took back the airplane and it was under their control, but most likely the pilots were killed and no one had any real experience flying a jet airliner.

(this is where the secondary plan is initiated. Probably with a big "oh, sh**" from the conspirators)

-Some kind of indicator or flag was given to a crew in a trailing aircraft by the "terrorists" of 93 that something has gone wrong. Their mission: incomplete. The secondary plan had to be initiated.

-The secondary or backup plan consisting of 2 steps. 1) The order had to be given to shoot down the aircraft so it could not be landed and no investigation or interrogation of the suspected terrorists could occur. 2) There were accounts of other aircraft in the vicinity of 93 and shanksville. I believe one of them may have been an "eye in the sky" loaded with the secondary plan keeping tabs on the hijacked aircraft ready to initiate phase 2 of the secondary plan. The secondary plan being a standby missile formed to give the impression of a commercial jetliner to slam in the ground and leave traces of a commercial jet to make it seem like it was a crash.

I believe both of these steps may have taken place. This is just a theory based off of my logic.

Some questions that would have to be answered.
1) Who gave the order to shoot down 93?
(I though this was supposed to be an executive decision)

2)Where is the full blackbox recording for 93?

3) Who was in the trailing aircraft that released the "missile?"

There are obviously much more, but I believe this to be a start.

Im no investigator by any menas, but this scenario to me seems to be logical and could have taken place. If anyone has anything to refute it by all means please post. Or if anyone has anything to add, or subtract to it by all means, please post.

Here are some questions you will need to answer to investigate your theory.

1. Why does the CVR not contain any of this?
2. How do you explain the DNA found at Shanksville
3. How do you explain the personal effects found at Shanksville
4. What happened to actual plane? Large amounts of debris were found in and around the crater area.

I look forward to your responses.

Originally posted by habu71
Does anyone have a link to the entire CVR recording? All I have heard is parts...

As far as I know only the transcript was released as part of the ZM trial exhibits. The audio version was only played for family members because of the sensitivity of it. I don't think the audio version is available to the public.

1. Why does the CVR not contain any of this?

Im sorry I do not know what a CVR is. Could you fill me in?

2. How do you explain the DNA found at Shanksville
3. How do you explain the personal effects found at Shanksville

Those are excellent questions. I guess it depends on how far a conspiracy someone is willing to strectch. I could come up with a few different scenarios though. For example: If they (whoever knew the order to shoot down 93 was given) anticipated the order to be given how hard is it to say they could have had the foresight to plant the traces of evidence at the crash site immediately after the missile hit its target? Same thing goes for pieces of the airliner. While the actual crash was swiftly contained and cleaned up.

The other half to that is there has not been much in way of evidence shown to the public from the crash site. Also, the pictures immediately after do not show much either. So even though those questions are good ones, they do not necessarily dispute the theory, in my opinion.

The real question in my opinion is where are the witnesses and pieces of the aircraft that was actually shot down?

Large amounts of debris were found in and around the crater area.

Well, I was not there, but the pictures and eye witness accounts show the contrary.

[edit on 6-9-2008 by abelievingskeptic]

Originally posted by abelievingskeptic

Im sorry I do not know what a CVR is. Could you fill me in?


Well, I was not there, but the pictures and eye witness accounts show the contrary.

This alone shows you have not done sufficient research into flight 93.

Thanks

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This alone shows you have not done sufficient research into flight 93.

Never claimed to have done "sufficient" research into flight 93.

Only created a theory from what I have seen and read.

Don't like it? Too bad bud.

Like I said. If you have something to refute, add or subtract then feel free.

I must admit, as conspiracy theories go, this one seems to contradict itself more then most. Not only did the government have the foresight to create a false crash site, but they also shot it down and got it to crash somewhere else. It would seem to me that the first thing your theory needs to explain is where the shot down plane did crash. In other theories the plane that supposedly crashed was actually flown & landed at super secret airport in Cleveland, Pittsburg or Disneyland. I really am interested in where your theory puts the crash sight.

I am on the fence about whether the plane crashed or was shot down, but any/all evidence points to a plane crashed in Shanksville.

Just some advice, normally theories spawn from unusual evidence, not just the lack of a certain combination of aspects of other conspiracy theories.


[edit on 6-9-2008 by Jake the Dog Man]

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well the CVRs and FDRs were sequestered by the FBI and the entire tapes have not been released, (which in itself raises qurestions)

The FDR data has been released as this has been shown to you countless times Ultima. Do I need to show you AGAIN? Stop being so disingenuous.

Portions of the CVR were released during the Maousoui trial. The victims families were also allowed to listen to the CVR. For privacy reasons...they have not been released.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
The FDR data has been released as this has been shown to you countless times Ultima.

You mean the FDR data that has been questioned by professionals ?

Portions of the CVR were released during the Maousoui trial. The victims families were also allowed to listen to the CVR. For privacy reasons...they have not been released.

Why only portions? Why wont they release all?

[edit on 6-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
You stated the FDR was not released. IT was.

Please be adult enought to read post before responding. I stated they were sequestered. I have the FDR data from Flight 77.

As far as it being questioned there are several threads on here about it, maybe you should try reading them.

The CVR was NOT released for privacy reasons. As I mentioned.

And thats complete BS. I would think anyone with some common sense should reallize that.

I mean how come we can get other CVR recordings?

Originally posted by ULTIMA1
Well the CVRs and FDRs were sequestered by the FBI and the entire tapes have not been released, (which in itself raises qurestions)

The FDR information was released in it's entirety. The victims families did in fact listen to the CVR.

Originally posted by ULTIMA1


And thats complete BS. I would think anyone with some common sense should reallize that.

I mean how come we can get other CVR recordings?

Please show me what other CVR's that were made public after a hijacking, or other commercial airplane disaster.

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
The victims families did in fact listen to the CVR.

I will state it one more time becasue i know your a believer.

THE COMPLETE CVR WAS NOT RELEASED.