Key eye witness of 9-11 WTC Commits "suicide", page 2
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reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 12:37 AM by cashlink
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No explosions? Elevator cables cut?
Can you please show me where I can find this information?


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 01:06 AM by cashlink
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I am impressed; it is nice to know you have some compassion.
I forget sometimes, when we are taking stabs at each other backs with our dull butter knives, that I drop in the thread.
While we are all turning psycho and chopping each other’s post to pieces
And venting our venom over everything and everybody
It is still wonderful to know we really do care about people.

Oh by the way You are still WRONG! about 911.


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 04:47 AM by justamomma
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Thanks for asking me to be your voice of reason. Although I would suggest that you take the gag off the one in your head as you will find life much more interesting when you can actually think for yourself... eh, but that's just me anyway. Anyway, I am honored

The other two things you listed were

a) "please address the radical difference between the verbal skill of Kenny Johannemann, the intelligence he displayed and the childlike suicide note, if you would please."

b) "and while you're at it, explain why someone who had an offer of residence would write: "The reason I killed myself was 'cause I was getting evicted and can't handle homelessness."

To address point 'a' first, it is not uncommon for people to hide their truest most raw (aka childlike) feelings from the world. I doubt if he was feeling such despair to the point he was going to take his life that he was completely in his right mind anyway. Point A proves nothing. Here, why don't you start at the following link, RESEARCH FOR YOURSELF even beyond the link and you will see that point A is no reason for jumping to conclusions.

psychological trauma

Since I am almost sure you will ignore what I am giving you because it doesn't fit the view you so desperately clinge to, let me draw your attention specifically to the following (from the link):

Some traumatized people may feel permanently damaged when trauma symptoms don't go away and they don't believe their situation will improve. This can lead to feelings of despair, loss of self-esteem, and frequently depression. If important aspects of the person's self and world understanding have been violated, the person may call their own identity into question.


Now I highly encourage you to do some studying yourself before throwing out this non proof out as proof again.


And on to your point B:

errrr, that one would pretty much be covered in my first post as well and again in the above.

YOu have no proof of anything, only assumptions that are drawn from a distorted view... those who starred you are just as distorted in their views. Jumping to conclusions based on faulty assumptions really shouldn't be quite the habit as it APPEARS (ha! looky that! a non conclusive term) is the case with you.


You have not been through what this man went through, therefore you are looking at the "evidence" in the light of a different mind frame. Your dilusions are self induced whereas his dilusions were brought on by an extremely traumatic event.



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reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 08:17 AM by Amaterasu
Originally posted by justamomma
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post by Amaterasu




Thanks for asking me to be your voice of reason. Although I would suggest that you take the gag off the one in your head as you will find life much more interesting when you can actually think for yourself... eh, but that's just me anyway.


I love the way you keep suggesting that I don't think for myself. Cute, that.

I will contend that this is a very handy reason for the guy to "kill himself," since neither of us has all the detail, and you can keep saying "He wasn't in his right mind," and I can say, "I have been to that brink and know that my ways of expressing myself did not degrade in usage and construction (though maybe content), so this makes no sense."

Whatever. I believe it was murder. You don't. [shrug]

On with the day, then


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 01:58 PM by Tiloke
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Baloney. A cigarette lighter will take your skin off. A 400 degree stove will take your skin off. Burning jet fuel(hotter) will easily take your skin off.

As an after thought; For some reason when I first saw this guy on Loose Change me and my roommates all immediately thought he was lying. One of my roommates is a trained interrogator and he's the one who voiced "he lying" first. Something about the way he strings his story along made us think he was not telling the truth.
Also, how does someone who was just in a fiery explosion and had to carry someone with "his skin all hanging off" to an ambulance not get one smudge of dirt or one single drop of blood on him?


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 05:52 PM by justamomma
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Oh wow! very keen observation. Will have to re-watch that video now in light of your observations. Thumbs up for being on guard and aware!!

(not saying you are right or wrong, but you are obviously thinking and that is always a great thing that seems to be lacking these days)
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