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Here maybe somehting for you guys to think about while voting this year.

Great post BK. This election I know there is a lot at stake. Of course I really don't like taking sides which is why I am independent because I like to see what both parties have to offer. Anyways I hope things remain calm here.

Originally posted by SectionEight

No, if foxnews was unfair it would not have the most viewers, plain and simple.

Well if that is the case what is your theory as to why you have five people on your friends list and thirteen that have made you they're foe?

Look into the mirror and ask yourself why that is.

Isn't this what the new super neat-o ultra exclusive political forum is supposed to be for?


For those who are seeking rich intellectual political discussion and a kinder and gentler outlet for discussing their positions?


Decision 08 is a mud pit, might as well let the piggies have their fun.


If you eliminate political trolling entirely, some of these "members" will be discarted from the board by default as a result of having nothing productive to say

Originally posted by bknapple32
I will start this off by saying I am a partial perpetrator of this. But I never struck first blood, as Rambo would say. Honestly, ATS is going to lose some quality posters during this election year. I have seen some educated, intelligent, quality posters downgrade themselves to attack those who are attacking others. The mudslinging is reaching all time highs. I understand it was bad back in 04. But its fair to say ATS is much bigger now, with bigger, comes problems.

I know this thread wont change people, but perhaps it will save that one poster who is on the brink of tearing apart the other side in ways that violate T & C. I know I have been very close.

Obama and McCain are AMERICANS. Obama doesn't want the country to be socialist. And McCain doesn't want us to be at war every year for the end of times. Deep down, after all the attacks, we know in our hearts, these are just two Americans putting themselves and their family out there in the public light to be trashed, because, as any great patriot, they want to make their country better.

Is it possible we can all try and remember that? The difference? They want and feel they have to go about it in two different ways. Ok, fair enough. Its not like democrats have been wrong every time in office. And its not like republicans have sunk the economy every term either. Both have been right and wrong, which means their supporters have been right and wrong.

That's you and me folks. We aren't right all the time and we aren't wrong all the time. Debate is great. Mudslinging is tomfoolery.

I just hope we can all take a breath, put things in perspective and make the Decision 2008 forum something to be proud of.

Let me correct you on 2 things you said right off the bat.

(1). Obama is NOT a US citizen, he was born in Kenya when his mother was 18 yrs old and ineligible to become a US citizen because of it. There are procedings in Federal District Court on the way.

(2). Obama is a Democrat. Democrats are SOCIALISTS. They have Communist Agendas. They insist that the Nanny Government take care of them rather than them taking care of themselves. They desire and push for SOCIAL PROGRAMS that do nothing other than indenture or enslave people to the Government. They want to tax everyone to high heaven and don't care if people are in control of their own destinies. They want to take from the Rich and bring the Poor up from the loot they pilfer from the Rich.

A man once said that he would rather teach a poor man to fish, than to just give him the fish. The reason for it was that if you taught the man to fish, he would become self sufficient. If you gave him the fish, he would depend upon you to feed him.

I am an independent. I hate political parties. Their platforms suck. They never follow through with all the rhetoric and promises they spew. They need accountability. They need to work for the people, not their own agendas and self centered interests.

I think that enough said.

[edit on 9/6/2008 by Evisscerator]

Originally posted by rhw007
Into the fray...

Dude.... I have no idea wtf your post was supposed to be about, but I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with this thread.

You might want to consider editing it out.

peace

Originally posted by jamie83
Dude.... I have no idea wtf your post was supposed to be about, but I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with this thread.

You might want to consider editing it out.

peace

The poster before him too.

Does anyone even bother to read threads anymore?

Jamie and bknapple32 are making thoughtful statements about even handed political discourse, and the very thing they are concerned about happens in the thread almost immediately after their posts.

Jamie and the bknapple32 seem like very cool smart guys who obviously want to make the discussion and our time here better.

Is it too much to ask to give them a little respect?







[edit on 6-9-2008 by round_eyed_dog]

yeah i hate how elections have become this like circus.. its like hollywood it reminds me of tabloids like with celebrities and spreading rumors and crap.. dude we're all humans everyone makes mistaks in the past /present. those little things shouldnt matter.. wht matters is WHAT will they do for US if elected... i could care less if so and so snorted a line of coke or took a puff off a joint so what?! the majority of americans have too.
ey but yah good thread! i agree