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Originally posted by jamie83
Here's a quick reality check for all of you who support Obama and his plan to raise minimum wage and who also wring your hands over the latest 6.1% jobless rate.
If companies are already laying off workers now at an unacceptable rate, increasing the cost of hiring workers will do the following:
* make hiring new entry level workers less likely
* make laying off more entry level workers more likely
* outsourcing of service jobs to India more likely
* make international companies less likely to locate businesses in the U.S.
* decrease tax revenues by cutting into companies' profit margins
And if that's not enough, Obama's plans to raise taxes on businesses at the same time will amplify all of the above consequences.
So while we are not in a recession yet, we might be in one when the new administration takes over in 2009. Nothing Obama is proposing is going to make doing business in the U.S more attractive to the large corporations who supply jobs. Nothing Obama is proposing is going to make it easier for middle-class families to create successful small businesses.
If you believe the current administration and Congress are driving the economy into the ground, wait until you see what Obama and a Democratic Congress are going to do.
You will be longing for the good old days of 6.1% unemployment and $4 a gallon gas.
[edit on 6-9-2008 by jamie83]
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Anything, absolutley anything has to be better 'for' the economy
People are starting to wise up to the amount of accounts you have on ATS, and the fact yor either being paid for this constant BS against the democrats, or your directly tied to it.
But it doesnt matter, the next president has already been selected.. and when i meet you in the trenches, or in the camps.. ill definately spit in your face and say
' traitor to the peace loving people '
Originally posted by MacDonagh
Jamie, I've got a question.
Why are most of your threads about Obama? I'm not trying to read anything into it, but you're very insistant that he's the Antichrist and is therefore; not experienced enough to endure the rigours of office. Is it only the political arena that you're interested in?
* Reward Companies that Support American Workers: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 with Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) to reward companies that create good jobs with good benefits for American workers. The legislation would provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America if it has ever been in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.
Invest in the Manufacturing Sector and Create 5 Million New Green Jobs
* Invest in our Next Generation Innovators and Job Creators: Obama will create an Advanced Manufacturing Fund to identify and invest in the most compelling advanced manufacturing strategies. The Fund will have a peer-review selection and award process based on the Michigan 21st Century Jobs Fund, a state-level initiative that has awarded over $125 million to Michigan businesses with the most innovative proposals to create new products and new jobs in the state.
# Fight for Fair Trade: Obama will fight for a trade policy that opens up foreign markets to support good American jobs. He will use trade agreements to spread good labor and environmental standards around the world and stand firm against agreements like the Central American Free Trade Agreement that fail to live up to those important benchmarks. Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
# Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.
HE WILL ADDRESS NAFTA
Originally posted by Agit8dChop
There is one SIMPLE reason we have a weak economy,
and thats because the republicans are in control, giving the peoples money to the corporate entities.
but i dont believe your bs about having one account or not having an agenda.
Its just to obvious mate, id try different tactics or something before your employers wise up to the obvious efforts your using via online propoganda.
nothings worse than being caught out, and its not just me seeing your true side.
I swore after if it was decided you had multiple accounts
Originally posted by jamie83
If companies are already laying off workers now at an unacceptable rate, increasing the cost of hiring workers will do the following:
Originally posted by mental modulator
HERE is a 10th of OBAMA's
HE WILL ADDRESS NAFTA
CUT TAX HAVENS
LOWER MIDDLE CLASS TAXES
TAX THE UPPER 1% higher
GIVE TAX INCENTIVES TO COMPANIES THAT DO NOT OUTSOURCE
RAISE TARIFS TO PREVENT FURTHER BLEEDING OF AMERICAN JOBS
EXTEND AND MAKE PERMANENT R&D TAX CUTS FOR COMPANIES
SHALL I GO ON???
In other words, a patriotic employer is one which fulfills the fondest Big Labor agenda, regardless of the competitive implications. The proposal ignores the marketplace reality that businesses hire a work force they can afford to pay and still make money. Coercing companies into raising wages and benefits above market rates may only lead to fewer workers getting hired in the first place.
Under Mr. Obama's plan, "patriot employers" qualify for a 1% tax credit on their profits. To finance this tax break, American companies with subsidiaries abroad would have to pay the U.S. corporate tax on profits earned abroad, rather than the corporate tax of the host country where they are earned. Since the U.S. corporate tax rate is 35%, while most of the world has a lower rate, this amounts to a big tax increase on earnings owned abroad.
Put another way, U.S. companies would suddenly have to pay a higher tax rate than their Chinese, Japanese and European competitors. According to research by Peter Merrill, an international tax expert at PriceWaterhouseCoopers, this change would "raise the cost of capital of U.S. multinationals and cause them to lose market share to foreign rivals." Apparently Mr. Obama believes that by making U.S. companies less profitable and less competitive world-wide, they will somehow be able to create more jobs in America.
Originally posted by KaginD
Where did you get this info from Jamie?? Do you have a source??
Originally posted by Dronetek
Jamie, you're absolutely right. Especially about "Mental Modulator" and some of the other posters.
I'm not very educated about the economy, but I understand the basics. The things Obama wants to do, seem to go counter to what we need right now. When the democrats finally passed the minimum wage hike, it was obvious that business would need to cut people loose. It seems like putting more burden on these business, could only hurt the economy more. How does attacking corporations and small business help to grow the economy? Its not logical!
reply to post by mental modulator
HE WILL ADDRESS NAFTA
Lets be clear. NAFTA was a Bill Clinton's baby.
[edit on 6-9-2008 by Dronetek]
How does attacking corporations and small business help to grow the economy? Its not logical!
* Reward Companies that Support American Workers: Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 with Senators Richard Durbin (D-IL) and Sherrod Brown (R-OH) to reward companies that create good jobs with good benefits for American workers. The legislation would provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America if it has ever been in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military
# End Tax Breaks for Companies that Send Jobs Overseas: Barack Obama believes that companies should not get billions of dollars in tax deductions for moving their operations overseas. Obama will also fight to ensure that public contracts are awarded to companies that are committed to American workers.
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# Make the Research and Development Tax Credit Permanent: Barack Obama wants investments in a skilled research and development workforce and technology infrastructure to be supported here in America so that American workers and communities will benefit. Obama wants to make the Research and Development tax credit permanent so that firms can rely on it when making decisions to invest in domestic R&D over multi-year timeframes.
Provide Tax Relief for Small Businesses and Start Up Companies: Barack Obama will eliminate all capital gains taxes on start-up and small businesses to encourage innovation and job creation.
Originally posted by jamie83
Originally posted by KaginD
Where did you get this info from Jamie?? Do you have a source??
Which specific information are you referring to?
For information about how Obama is going to raise taxes while trying to convince you he's on your side, here's an article in the WSJ that might help.
Obama's Patriot Act
And do you really need a source to understand the cause and effect relationship between raising minimum wage and the number of people who will be hired vs. the number that will be fired?
Have you worked in the real world enough to understand how many people get paid under the table already because of the burdensome taxes on both corporations and individuals?