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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 02:45 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by Wizard_In_The_Woods
If ATS wants to attract persons of John’s caliber they have to be nice, extra nice.

No worries Mate

They have that new UFO 'expert' Robbie Williams... Have you seen all the "Hey cool, starred and flagged" posts in that thread?

Originally posted by MrPenny
Never fear...I'm still here!!
Heh.

Ah yes and so you are

You I might even miss

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 05:36 PM by bigfatfurrytexan

John Lear was banned. He was post banned, meaning that his membership is still active, but he cannot post. In another forum i frequent, we call that "the pokey" (where you have read only access).

Now, he may have had his posting priviledges reinstated, but after all the hoopla went down he likely doesn't want much to do with ATS.

Gools, John may or may not be lying. But the story from the Three Amigo's changed on more than one occassion, and Ritzman (who is known for his temper tantrums) was never addressed (at least not as openly as John was).

Now it is the point that John would rather not funnel in new membership to ATS when he feels that he was done wrong, I would bet.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:17 PM by EyesII

reply to post by zorgon

Zorgon:

Well, let's see how long Robbie Willams lasts before he goes AWOL.

I bet 6-8 months if he is tolerant, sooner if he has a temper.

Here are a few people that I liked reading, but we "lost" them this year.

Dan Tanna
Sleeper
John Lear

I'm sure there are many more that I can't remember right now.

Soon, we'll be forgeting about Robbie too.

(Hey, wasn't Robbie a Robot?)

-EyesII

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:26 PM by undo

well in memory of John's famous moon thread, i post this image of copernicus that i've never seen before! Have you seen this one, John? click the image to see full size (i've flipped it. it was originally upside down )

image source:
wanderingspace.net...

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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:28 PM by GAOTU789

Originally posted by EyesII
reply to post by zorgon

Here are a few people that I liked reading, but we "lost" them this year.

Dan Tanna
Sleeper
John Lear

I'm not sure why you think that we lost sleeper and Dan Tanna.

Dan isn't banned or post banned to my knowledge and sleeper logged on as recently as yesterday.

I can understand why John wouldn't want to post here anymore but it is what it is. I enjoyed his posts quite a bit. Didn't agree with everything he said but he did make you think.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 06:39 PM by bigfatfurrytexan

reply to post by GAOTU789

Well...we lost Sleeper and Dan due to the way they were treated by other members. That is not an ATS issue, but a membership issue.

We have also lost Rik Riley. Why was he banned?

And Bluebird never comes around anymore, really. There are many, many.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 07:00 PM by GAOTU789

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

I just looked at rik's profile and it says he logged in yesterday also. If he's post banned, and I am not aware if he is or isn't, he just has to make contact with the staff member that applied the ban to him to work it out. Thats about all I can tell you about him as I really haven't a clue about rik's status, other then what his profile says.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 07:14 PM by BlackOps719

Originally posted by Matyas
reply to post by BlackOps719

You can bet your last shiny penny he is reading this!

Hahaha...Im sure he probably is.

I actually loved reading John's posts and my previous comment was not intended as an insult. When you wanted an interesting read or something that would make you strain your brain, a good John Lear thread was always the place to start. Very entertaining and thought provoking stuff from an extremely intelligent man. Did I take his theories with a grain of salt? Absolutely. As should anyone when considering that they are just theories.

Sleeper, I really miss his contributions to the board. The "Coming clean" thread is probably my over all favorite on this entire site. At one point I even hinted that I thought John and Sleeper were one in the same. Not sure if I am right or was correct then, but the thought did cross my mind.

One thing is for sure, I would rather read John Lear and Sleeper threads all day long than have to sift through 90% of the crap that gets posted here on a daily basis and passes for "conspiracy subject matter."

As I said, entertainment value +10.

In a perfect world ego's would be put aside and the entire community would be able to intermingle and co-exist in hopes of learning the answers to the questions that we all wish to know. Not likely to happen, but it would be great to see.

On a side note, I never understood why critics and opponants of JL were so outright hateful and personal in their disagreements with his posts. ATS would do well to focus on those members who venemously attack and berate anyone who posts non mainstream theory and opinion.

It is always ok to disagree with someones ideas, but the nastiness from other members is what ultimately drives people like Lear away. Soon there will be nothing left but a room full of debunkers and skeptics sitting around agreeing with each other and patting one another on the back.

What is the conspiracy in that?

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 08:09 PM by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Who is John Lear?

His father started the Lear Jet corporation. John has more flight certificates than anyone in history. He has set transcontinental speed records in the private aviation sector and never got over having a large ego. So he started making up a lot of crazy stuff up to get attention.

At one time he was banned but was let back on to ATS and after he posted hundreds of time after being given a second chance he got his ego bruised too many times by regular posters but not by the staff that I know of.

Looks like he is lying in that video and is trying to get even, when he does not have justification to do so.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 08:26 PM by weedwhacker

reply to post by LoneGunMan

OMGosh, what a can o' worms I have done opened!

To say that Captain Lear has a big ego is, well...a mis-representation? No, not the correct term...a 'misunderstanding'? That's better. You see, most all airline Captains (myself included) tend to have strong egos....see, I substituted the word 'strong' for 'big'.

Because, a solid and 'strong' ego is construed as a positive attribute. To say someone has a 'big' ego denotes a blowhard....at least, that is my perspective.

A 'strong' ego is decisive, without being authoritarian. A 'big' ego won't listen to advice of those around him/her. A 'strong' ego knows how to shoulder responsiblity, but still accept the (edit here, because I'm anal about my spelling, it's 'counsel'...not...) councel of others....and make decisions after weighing all of the facts.

A 'big' ego, left un-challenged, unfortunately has resulted in quite a few airliner crashes over the years (since I'm referring to airline Captains only).

There is an old....VERY old joke, probably from the Maritime era:

"Rule #1 -- The Captain is ALWAYS correct."

"Rule#2 -- IF the Captain is incorrect....see Rule #1"

That about sums it up, methinks.

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[second edit, same thing...no details...hint, poor typing skills]

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reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 08:41 PM by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by LoneGunMan

Because, a solid and 'strong' ego is construed as a positive attribute. To say someone has a 'big' ego denotes a blowhard....at least, that is my perspective.

A 'strong' ego is decisive, without being authoritarian.

Ego...E.G.O. Edge God Out.

Ego is never good and must always be tamed. Strong, large, small or weak it is never a good thing to have. I work in an out of control ego profession also and I fall pray to it too. I try to tame it like the lion trainer tames the wild beast.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 08:54 PM by Matyas

reply to post by BlackOps719

Without a doubt BO, without a doubt.

I am down with exactly where you're comin' from. Ever so rarely someone with guts comes along to drive the bit far enough to strike water, but after the site turns to quicksand its time to fold 'em and move on.

Heck, bells, and tarnation, my perception is so perverted I don't think I'll ever recover! Then Z has to go and post that pic! Now none of us have any hope of reaching her level, might as well write it off...

But for that I will always be grateful, never begrudging a single post I made in any thread...

Yeah.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 09:10 PM by weedwhacker

reply to post by LoneGunMan

LoneGun....yes, I understand.

It's just, the word 'ego' has the bad connotation, that I tried to explain up above.

Perhaps....I need a thesaurus? LOL! Rationality....that is a better term. Logical thinking, with determination, but not blind obedience to the existing paradigms.

There has to be an 'ego' (not a bad word) in order to make a decision, but that 'ego' must know when to seek advice, as part of that decision. Ultimately (to paraphrase President Truman) the Buck must Stop somewhere.

Pure certainty, even in the face of conflicting information...and rejecting such information out-of-hand....that is 'ego gone wild!'.

A strong will and ability to communicate, and admit when one is wrong....that BUILDS a better ego, a more enlightened ego...one better to lead, and adapt, as situations change. So, ego in and of itself isn't bad...just that resolute "don't tell me anything I don't want to hear" ego...then we have problems.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 09:25 PM by LoneGunMan

Originally posted by weedwhacker

A strong will and ability to communicate, and admit when one is wrong....that BUILDS a better ego, a more enlightened ego...one better to lead, and adapt, as situations change. So, ego in and of itself isn't bad...just that resolute "don't tell me anything I don't want to hear" ego...then we have problems.

Well said....for a stick and rudder man! What do you fly? I dont mean to take this off topic...I just LOVE aviation. Spent my life around it.

On topic. I respect the good Captain as much as you do. I just think he may be getting a little to into his own world.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 09:40 PM by Matrix1111

Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by LoneGunMan

OMGosh, what a can o' worms I have done opened!

To say that Captain Lear has a big ego is, well...a mis-representation? No, not the correct term...a 'misunderstanding'? That's better. You see, most all airline Captains (myself included) tend to have strong egos....see, I substituted the word 'strong' for 'big'.

I think you mean it's an understatement, not a misunderstanding. Could the big ego thing be the result of an "attitude" problem? A 35,000 feet one?

Yes, you have done opened a can o' worms. Thanks. I was lamenting the loss just last week, though I never heard of him until then. He's just the kind of conspiracy nut that makes it all worthwhile.

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 09:48 PM by Wizard_In_The_Woods

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
At one time he was banned but was let back on to ATS and after he posted hundreds of time after being given a second chance he got his ego bruised too many times by regular posters but not by the staff that I know of.

There is no way other posters’ attacks would have caused John Lear to go silent. Discussions with fellow ATS members – no matter how caustic and heated they become – would never upset someone of John Lear’s stature. The only thing that could have possibly ticked him off to where he’s stopped writing is moderator interference – because such will easily come across as insulting to serious posters.

If ATS wants him back, the owners could write him a personal request to return. That, plus a carte blanche, i.e. permission to write as wildly as he pleases, might persuade him to come back. Just a suggestion…

Greetings,
The Wizard In The Woods

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:34 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by EyesII
I'm sure there are many more that I can't remember right now.

There are many that I called friend that are gone... some left... some banned... some simply vanished like Bluebird who was a scientist and did really great work on Mars stuff (non anomalie) Beerguy gave us a copy of his fuel cell to post on Pegasus and I have never heard from him since

Housegroove a mod
Rik Riley
Goosdawg
just a few off the top of my head

Funny too how a certain group of skeptics suddenly disappeared the day John was gone

Now Mike Singh reposts Johns gravity and atmosphere on the moon stuff and all the newbies are flagging the thread and saying 'cool research' while for two years John and I took a lot of flack on that

Its certainly not Kansas anymore around here

But you know what the biggest joke is? All the people who say John and those like him never had any facts to back it up... yet flock to the threads to play...

Yet when you show some proof like "Looking Glass" and the OTHER tether that flew 1 month after STS 75... no one wants to see it...

Hypocrisy at its best...

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:40 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by GAOTU789

I'm not sure why you think that we lost sleeper and Dan Tanna.

Because Dan wrote his friends personal emails and said he was not returning and said so in a post in the Akashic Record thread even though goodbye posts are not allowed...

Sleeper may been looking up some old info

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:46 PM by zorgon

Originally posted by BlackOps719 At one point I even hinted that I thought John and Sleeper were one in the same. Not sure if I am right or was correct then, but the thought did cross my mind.

They are not the same this is Sleeper

Soon there will be nothing left but a room full of debunkers and skeptics sitting around agreeing with each other and patting one another on the back.

I quite agree... but after what Springer said at RU about his 'value' to ATS and how they were 'cleaning house' to go into the venture capital market on a rival board that is made up of all those nasty debunkers that were banned... why would ANYONE want to come back?

reply posted on 11-9-2008 @ 10:58 PM by welivefortheson

john lear was banned, yet the mods chose to unban him to make it appear as if they werent trying silence him,to cover thier own backs.