Originally posted by ShatteredSkies
The man simply does not respect this site or its members,
That statement is an outright lie. One of the biggest problems I see here at ATS is that people make statements based only on one side of the coin...
John was actually very polite and civil considering the abuse and constant barrage of insults he got. I can see it right here in this thread by some
of the comments.
I hear people stating he NEVER had any evidence, yet for the last two years I have worked with him and presented a lot of evidence... funny how it was
overlooked... no one followed the links...
One case the secret astronauts... well PBS NOVA did Astrospies and interviewed those same astronauts
The Nevada Submarine base... we tracked that down and showed that it indeed does exist complete with Clark County water pollution records yet in this
thread I saw it mentioned...
You cannot demand evidence and then refuse to even look at it or follow it up.
Yet that happens here daily... so much so in fact that even when I posted hints to the SECOND tether by the OTHER space program only a few people even
Now before he was banned Access Denied and Weedwacker challenged John to provide his FAA Certificates... John photocopied them and posted them... for
all to see... Now Weedwacker claims to also be a pilot, but when asked at the beginning never offered any proof...
When congress wrote John finally recognizing his service with the CIA flights, we posted that letter...
Johns father worked with TT Brown for the DoD in 1952 on ANTI GRAVITY I found and posted the Project Winterhaven document
John for years claimed that the Apollo 11 signals went FIRST and ONLY to Australia... look at the flack he took on that... yet we posted the
Honeysuckle Creek station (along with the missing Apollo 11 tapes) Well guess what? John was absolutely spot on with that one... Honeysuckle Creek
station just last year posted all the info...
Some of his 'out there' stuff came from remote viewers.... Sure go ahead and scoff at that... if it makes ya all feel good... but those RV'ers
were the top of the field, hired by the CIA and your tax dollars under Project Stargate which ran from 1968 to 1995... At that point a few of the old
timer military guys founded a private company called PsiTech... which is actively doing gov. contracts today , but not under the snooping eyes of
These people included Ingo Swann, Joe McMoneagle, Major General Stupplebine and Ron Blackburn... Ingo and Joe still run remote viewing traing on their
websites... Ron lives in Las Vegas
All of the above can be easily verified. There is more but I doubt few would care anyway... as they didn't when John was here.
Now as to John not respecting ATS.
The good old days....
John LOVED ATS... had it not been for him I would not have been here either, and Pegasus would never have been created. When we were at that
Convention we really thought there was value to be had by all the work posting at ATS...
I also think Springer posting the following comments on a rival board (hell the Enemy Camp no less) was 'not nice' but that is only my opinion...
he is here to create a fan base where people will undoubtedly follow because a lot of people really are sheep.
Talk about being rude... so just because I happen to share many of John's beliefs I am a sheep? What just because I don't follow your version of
reality? When I first started here much of what John said sounded totally out there to me... but I didn't resort to bashing him or his ideas, nor
trolling him with personal attacks, nor hounding him in EVERY thread where he posted...
I looked into the hints and leads he left in posts and made my own research... and within a year I found amazing truths and hidden programs, and have
met and talked with many of his contacts, including adding some of my own like Edgar Mitchell...
What I found was a lot of what he said had truth in it...
I respectfully say that if there are any sheep here, I know where to find them
May the man NEVER destroy the graces of ATS with his presence again. This is of course my own opinion and I post this of my own volition.
So will you apply that same reasoning to all the nasty debunkers who hound people for no other reason than to cause drama and discontent? You want a
list? I have a long one...
but that's why we all love ATS so much, is its accepting nature.
Forgive me if I don't see the 'accepting nature" in your post as well as many others...
When I came to ATS it was because this was the place that discussed way out there topics like Dulce Base, Aliens... etc... Now most of the new threads
I see are political... If ATS is no longer the place for finding weird ideas and being able to discuss them, then perhaps its time to move on....
There was even a 'Gray Area' set up to allow a more 'story' type post yet the debunkers still come in there and raise a stink... seems they are
A few days ago because of another thread started by Weedwacker... I had occasion to look at the stats... what I saw surprised me...
Total member accounts: 145,188
Members who have posted: 74,923
Percentage of members who have posted: 51 %
Number of members with 20 or fewer posts: 61,461
Number of members with 20 to 100 posts: 7,421
Number of members with 100 to 500 posts: 4,014
Number of members with 500 to 1,000 posts: 869
Number of members with 1,000 to 5,000 posts: 747
Number of members with 5,000 to 10,000 posts: 74
Number of members with more than 10,000 posts: 38
Imagine how little there would be here to discuss if a few did not provide 'entertainment' I was actually shocked by this... but it seems less then
a thousnad people do all the work around here...
But they always have time to complain about the other guy
And for the "pig" Intrepid....
Do I get a cookie?
PS Notice the ribbon she is wearing?
Just another memento of the good old days... would still be a good idea
Yeah okay so I'm a pig too... SUE ME
[edit on 7-9-2008 by zorgon]
mod edit: removed cross-board posting.
[edit on 9-9-2008 by chissler]