yeah man i saw that :-) and i know what you mean :-)
guess John is keeping it up with all 3 camps these days :-)

I see all of this as 3 camps :

1: the believers, no matter how much someone over proves them with hoaxes theory's they know!

2: the thinkers, interested but not yet convinced, but could be if the right thing happened to them.

3: the doubters no matter how much evidence they see, they can`t believe never!, because they are stuck in the systems massinformia, and keep you with one thought in your head ONLY, and that is keep keep HUNTING money :-) it will keep you in the force of the Mammo, and you don`t have to think about anything else, they just go on and on with the regular things they do, never have to think. I also find these people STUCK in it and very shallow, they can`t seem to get down deep in any discussion about things like this.
Funny :-) just remembered Jesus words " I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God"
Jesus (verses 23-24)

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[edit on 13-9-2008 by Kukulcangod]

mad hatter>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jonh lear.

Originally posted by weedwhacker
Went to check it out, first thing I opened was the Apollo 11 'LEM' discussion....kinda wanted to wash my eyes out with soap, if ya know what I mean.....

I concur.

It seems as though his dementia has reached the next stage.

Either that, or it's just further proof of his lack of research.

And the next step would be?
Do we keep on keepin' on about Mr. Lear, or;
Do we consider him as a Crazy Old Uncle and just remember the good times, or;
Do we write him off as demented, or;
Does he have something to say that is valuable in the grand scheme of things and cherry pick our way through the B.S.?
IMHO, we keep on picking through and let our minds wander.

I became a member when I heard John Lear rant a bit about abovetopsecret.com on Coast To Coast AM. When I first checked ATS out I was impressed enough to join.
It takes a while to learn all of the tools here.
I knew I was coming in while a big member was leaving. Besides, who doesn't the CIA watch?
I think the "skeptics" have gotten a little more polite in the past year, or at least held a little closer to proper decorum.
The constant "skeptic" baiting could turn anybody off.

The problem with being "Way Out There" is that the truth is that the universe is a very strange place indeed. It is such a strange place that a normal exercise in college is to state that a certain thing is true and then try to defend it. In these "brains-storming" sessions a lot of new ideas and some never before considered facts can come out.

I do not think that we can know what the multi-dimensional functions of space artifacts that we will continue to find are. It is entertaining to think about them. To state them as fact is a little bit much for many people. If we do not find out what these multi-dimensional aspects are we may never be able to operate them.
If our spirit is not right we will elect politicians that will lie to us in order to fatten their own retirement portfolio while the truth of the free energy we live inside of goes ignored and unloved.

I do not think that the owners of ATS want to suppress any bleeding edge topic that can be intelligently discussed. (Just my opinion). I do think many companies, agencies and maybe even alien races would like to suppress free speech and will send in the flying monkeys to get the job done.

I'm going to take another 8000% RDA dose of organic plant derived vitamin B-12 and wish John Lear and fellow passengers a fine trip around the dark side of the moon. Maybe even tonight in my astral dream, (daily dreams required by god).
Or maybe I need a Moon ticket. (Priceline or TicketMaster ?)

John Lear was a good man.

With his own pasionate views...


The demsie of the Lear-ATS relationship was tragic...

And all it realy proves is that EVEN adults, can at like school children sometimes...

John Lear was an Icon on ATS, weather or not they want to admit to that anymore...

This place was a better place with him.

I'm obviously not a newbie....but I am gratified that many have found this thread, here on BTS...


There is a personal vendetta.....NO, not vendetta, more of personal 'need' to be redeemed. BECAUSE both my public and private diginty have been impugned.

Because this IS BTS, I think I can say something very different than I would say at ATS.

I will not 'name' any other member, because that would be beneath my dignity. Smart people can put nine and nine together....

Tomorrow I am heading to London, and for my first time, StoneHenge..(Tour to StoneHenge will, obviously, be on Sunday....we have theatre tickets for Saturday!!!)

Originally posted by TKainZero
John Lear was a good man.

With his own pasionate views...


The demsie of the Lear-ATS relationship was tragic...

And all it realy proves is that EVEN adults, can at like school children sometimes...

John Lear was an Icon on ATS, weather or not they want to admit to that anymore...

This place was a better place with him.

Right on.

And I don't give a crap what GOOLS says. I've read the fallout arguments that happened. It appeared to me that the MODs and the Owners in particular were way full of themselves. They were conniving behind the scenes and when things went south for them they banned him. Springer was the prime mover on this as a matter of fact.

Yes, perhaps they've reinstated his membership since then just to save face but the fact of the matter is, through their bungling behavior we've lost probably our best member ever here.

Mods and Owners don't like what I'm saying? To F-ing bad.

People have to remember here that when flame wars happen and the sharks come out to feast it becomes a very stressful situation, especially for the person who is at the focal point. I've been in more than my share of battles against the Trolls on other sites and I can attest first hand to my statement. And by the way, the worst ones I ever had were always against the self righteous MODs with their newly acquired God complexes.

I don't blame Lear a bit for staying away from that kind of stress.

I just wish there was some way we could convince him to come back but I doubt he ever will.

Well this is an old thread you have revived.

Originally posted by warequalsmurder

And I don't give a crap what GOOLS says.

Well Gools a former staff member has been banned adding fuel on the fire ?

They were conniving behind the scenes and when things went south for them they banned him.

Unless you can produce an unedited screen shot that proves this you are talking baloney.

Yes, perhaps they've reinstated his membership since then just to save face but the fact of the matter is, through their bungling behavior we've lost probably our best member ever here.

Give it a rest Lear and others like him are not mature enough to be ATS members .