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Originally posted by MemoryShock
But media manipulations and the proprietary information contained in the designing of such is the fault of the layman? Is that what you are suggesting?
The fact that there is even a term for "Layman" suggests social heirarchy...and who is making money off of that heirarchy?
Right...reading the rest of your post.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Not because they are being hidden from the public, as MemoryShock seems to think and as you are implying (although I suspect you know better and are simply being disingenuous).
While I certainly do think that there are things kept from the population, my biggest contention is the fact that we tend to hold people responsible for their choices, as a society, when they for the most part do not understand why they make decisions and as well there are tools available for the intentional manipulation of those choices.
It's at best socially irresponsible to manipulate someone into thinking about the next American Idol and then harp on them for not voting or researching the issues.
Advertisers like to appeal to our most irrational selves (safety, love, self-worth, family) in order to "persuade" us to purchase things that we really do not need.
Anti-depressants hit the market some 30 years ago. That would mean that my comment on understanding advertising techniques some 30 to 40 years after the fact has a good bit of validity.
Originally posted by Astyanax
Here we come to the crux of the matter.
Permit me to assume that you live in a democratic country, one that is governed by representatives of various constituencies elected by popular vote.
Your quote above expresses ideas that are in complete opposition to these democratic principles.
First, it is paternalistic and undemocratic. It assumes that you, MemoryShock, or some other expert or experts of whom you (and not I) approve, know what is good for me better than I know it myself.
the latter a prescription for anarchy.
Second, it implies that the individual's lack of knowledge is somebody else's fault and not his own.
Third, it absolves of all responsibility those who are specifically charged with the power to decide policy and take executive or judicial decisions on behalf of the rest of us.
The issue is not whether or not I think people shouldn't be held responsible for the decisions that they make, it's that I think that the various factons inherent of our society and the different lifestyles and regional differences effect how this responsibility is doled out.
In the early days of Coca-Cola, they gained a very fast and prominent brand by mixing their product with Cocaine. While even the corporate interest of the product may have been ignorant, they still knew the physiological reaction would almost require consumer dedication.
In 1885... Parke-Davis sold coc aine in various forms, including cigarettes, powder and even a coc aine mixture that could be injected directly into the user’s veins with the included needle.
In early 20th-century Memphis, Tennessee, coc aine was sold in neighborhood drugstores on Beale Street, costing five or ten cents for a small boxful. Stevedores along the Mississippi River used the drug as a stimulant, and white employers encouraged its use by black laborers.
In 1909, Ernest Shackleton took “Forced March” brand coc aine tablets to Antarctica, as did Captain Scott a year later on his ill-fated journey to the South Pole.
Hell, meth was legal and prescribed in the American fifties (though as far as I know, unassociated with any major brand...
I am indeed espousing (democratic principles) and declaring that the difference in societal expression, the propagation of certain ideals and the willful unavailability of information is in fact disrupting the idea of a democracy...where people make decisions for themselves.
There is a major misrepresentation regarding our political process and it can be boiled down to the competition for attention...which is what advertising is. And most of it is useless information...