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Afghan Student On Death Row For Reading Internet Article

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posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 08:27 AM
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Originally posted by sc2099
Womens' rights don't kill people, bombs kill people.


right on. I'm glad you're on ATS.




posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by mythatsabigprobe
We didn't use the democracy excuse in Afghanistan, it was to kill Bin Laden and the Teletubbies Taliban.


OMG would you please not do that!

I nearly offed my laptop with a mouthful of beer.

Next time I´ll send you the bill!



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Something is missing from this story, I don't know what but something is definitely missing.

Afghanistan used to be one of the most liberal of Middle Eastern countries, before all the wars; anyone with any clue got out of that country years ago. Sadly now the population is very uneducated (28% of adults are literate).

The Mullah's surely do not have some sophisticated method of tracking internet usage. The vast majority do not even know HOW to use the internet. Something must have happened that cause the authorities to look into this kid or his family, and that lead to this charge.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by mr. wildflowers


I am absolutely disgusted that any government could be so immersed in a religion like Islam that it could KILL somebody simply for reading an article. Not only was this man arrested for reading an article on the roll of women, but he was given a clearly unfair trial, the result of which will end his life. Sickening.

www.switched.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


islam is the only government allah approves of.

apostacy is punishable by death...

suggesting women have equal rights is a direct blasphemy of allahs law

his trial was as fair as it gets in islam, the koran is very clear on this point



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:20 AM
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Originally posted by sc2099

I think what this actually proves is that the people of Afghanistan and other Islamic countries are in no way ready or willing to accept democracy, equality, or human rights.


freedom cannot be handed to anyone who does not want it, it must be fought for.

allah demands that all must submit to islam, period. there is no middle ground on that point.

there is no higher authority than allah, and his demands are very clearly documented in the koran and the actions of his prophet in the hadith, there is no mystery.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:23 AM
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another reason to push the button on all these islamic governments..just kill the nutjobs in power and maybe the people will be able to breath for once..



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:43 AM
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Government is nothing but a religion in practice. Religion controls the morality of the people, and the morality of the people controls the laws of the government.

I am glad that you made this post. It highlights the sad, sad reality of our situation in Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no way whatsoever to “Win” in these countries. Islam sees the United States as “Evil” and all infidels as “Satan”.

The reason that we did not leave Iraq and Afghanistan was for this very reason. The administration knows all too well that as soon as we leave these countries, they will relish in destroying everything that we have done there. They will do this because their religion dictates that they have no choice in the matter. The Islamic governments of those countries will have no choice but to tear down all that we have built there in order to appease the Islamic clerics that say, “The United States built this, it is from the devil, it must be destroyed.”

They will burn down everything that we have done for them on camera as readily as they burn down our flags in the streets and destroy mannequins dressed as the soldiers of our country. This is the real reason that we did not take out Saddam Hussein the first time that we fought in Iraq and defeated the Iraqi military in the 90's.

So yes, Afghanistan and Iraq have nothing to do with “Changing the middle-east”. Any expert on Islam could have told you that. Instead, these wars serve a much larger purpose, and still, I am not readily going to say that they were a failure or even something that we should not have been done.

My friends, you're going to have to come to the realization sooner or later that, for Islam, the crusades have never ended. This demands of us the only choice that we can make concerning the situation. That choice was not of our making, but that of Islam’s making. For their religion dictates that all infidels will die or be converted, and that leaves us no other choice then to fight the crusades over and over again until their eventual and final conclusion.

Islam demands that only one religion will survive in the world. We have no choice but to fight because, just as the life of this poor man illustrates, they have given us no choice.

[edit on 6-9-2008 by Hot_Wings]



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:46 AM
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It seems there was a bit more to it than 'just' reading an internet article.


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Mr Kambaksh, 23, distributed the tract to fellow students and teachers at Balkh University with the aim, he said, of provoking a debate on the matter. But a complaint was made against him and he was arrested, tried by religious judges without – say his friends and family – being allowed legal representation and sentenced to death.


So, it was distributing the material that led to complaints and subsequent arrest.

Not that that should really make much difference.

Although then again - what would we (like to) do with those who spread what we consider to be subversive materials in schools? Okay, not kill but suppose you're staunchly against abortion (for example) and someone spreads literature promoting abortion in your kid's school? Would you be happy?



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by fatdad
another reason to push the button on all these islamic governments..just kill the nutjobs in power and maybe the people will be able to breath for once..


genocide?

most muslims, mainstrean muslims are peaceful people who are not aware of the violent, true nature of islam.

islam will be defeated through awareness, a safe infidel is an informed infidel.

mainstream muslims are kept ignorant of allahs true will for the purpose of keeping infidels ignorant and vulnerable...

terrorists can now freely carry out allahs will, and at the same time, the upper echelon of islam can appeal "look! not all muslims are terrorists! we dont know why extremists do what they do!"

this is known as taqiyya. it is permissible to lie to the non-believers for the purpose of rendering them vulnerable.

and it works like a charm.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Essan
It seems there was a bit more to it than 'just' reading an internet article.

So, it was distributing the material that led to complaints and subsequent arrest.

Not that that should really make much difference.

Although then again - what would we (like to) do with those who spread what we consider to be subversive materials in schools? Okay, not kill but suppose you're staunchly against abortion (for example) and someone spreads literature promoting abortion in your kid's school? Would you be happy?


blasphemy in islam has consequence that is very clear; death.

no one is permitted to say, ask or do anything that brings allahs words into question, that person is an apostate and must be removed.

there is no 'legal representation' for this, there is no middle ground, it is very clearly written in the koran, how blasphemers must be dealt with, and allahs law is the only law for humans, according to islam.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by feydrautha

Originally posted by Essan


it is very clearly written in the koran, how blasphemers must be dealt with, and allahs law is the only law for humans, according to islam.


You're hatred for Islam and muslims has been made very clear in many of your posts.Now instead of comming out with more BS, can you please provide SOLID evidence behind your claims and that Islam supports these kind of actions?

And if you can't than please keep your views to yourself as it doesn't add much towards the topic.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 02:53 PM
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The only difference is are our social mores - that's what I was trying to point out. In their society what he did was no different than looking at child porn in the minds of his peers. Many other countries find it extreme to put somebody in prison for 10 years for looking at a naked picture of a 16 year old on the internet, while in the U.S. it is normal.

I suppose if you haven't lived outside your own country for a period of time it might be difficult to understand how the lines can be drawn differently.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by feydrautha

there is no 'legal representation' for this, there is no middle ground, it is very clearly written in the koran, how blasphemers must be dealt with, and allahs law is the only law for humans, according to islam.


Allah's law or human misinterpretation of Allah's law?

Christians did much the same in the past. Never heard of the Inquisition?

It may be wrong, but we need to consider context. Such people are no worse than we are.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 03:13 PM
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ok, I think I understand where you're coming from now. That's definitely a good point.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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Reading information on bomb schematics and actual terrorist materials doesn't kill people. Knowledge doesn't kill, it liberates. Using the knowledge for evil is what kills people. Having the knowledge may protect us against others who also have it but would use it for evil.

[edit on 9/6/2008 by dubiousone]



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by sc2099
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Come on now. I'm in no way defending the USgov but you must admit that downloading bomb schematics and actual terrorist materials is a lot different than reading something about womens' role in Islam.


That's beside the point. If you can show me credit card receipts from the individual purchasing the requisite supplies to build said bomb, then you may have a point. In the meantime, accessing any information should NEVER be a crime. I've tracked down plenty of questionable material online myself, in regards to things I would never actually "do" , either out of pure curiosity or for research purposes.

It is appalling what happened in the OP story.I don't think the US much cares though. As others have said, the gov't has no interest in spreading democracy - unless by democracy you mean a system by which the US can exploit or otherwise profit from another nation.

They'd be doing the same thing here to US citizens if they could get away with it without a huge public outcry...and sadly enough, I fear THAT day is quickly approaching.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by shipovfools
It is appalling what happened in the OP story.I don't think the US much cares though.


Appalling indeed. But is it really our place to care? It seems like when the US tries to "care" we end up starting wars and killing people.



posted on Sep, 6 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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I wonder why they are not posting a link the "download". How bad was it?

Keep in mind I assume this kid is Afghani. He must have KNOWN that passing out literature that insults or degrades Islam is a VERY serious offense. Blasphemy as well as trying to convert Muslims to other religions is punishable by death in some Muslim countries.

He was a college student, so ignorance is NOT an excuse. If you live in a country where that is the case it makes sense NOT to do it! People from other countries may not LIKE those laws, but if you live in a country where that IS the law then it would be wise to respect the law.



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