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Originally posted by justamomma
reply to post by Amaterasu
Things that do not definitively prove that our government was involved
1. Assumptions and/or theories
2. Lack of Evidence
3. And this last one is specific, as you cited it.. the patriot act. I agree that it was obviously written for quite some time and YES!! Anyone who knows what I stand for KNOWS that I do not agree with its being implemented.. but this does NOT prove that 9/11 was an inside job. It just does not!
Obviously there are corrupt people in our government and obviously there are corrupt things that are being implemented into our daily lives.. but this does not mean that all are corrupt and it certainly doesn't mean there are not corrupt GROUPS of ppl in other societies that have an agenda of some sort with the western world in general.
I still am not subscribing completely and wholly either way on the 9/11 stories. I am actually being shown both sides by someone who has been on both sides of the fence and thus far, the evidence that is cited by the truthers (I don't understand this label) has been effectively debunked.
But you have made several assumptions just in your replies to me on this thread and therefore it shows that you are willing to jump to conclusions simply based on the distorted one sided view you hold to.
I can't do that. I want to see what is actually going on in this world and that means not subscribing to anything until I have facts that show that I can.
I have had to admit I was wrong numerous times on this board and have done so because I am not looking to make everything fit into my view of the world. I am rather looking to get my view in line with what is actually THE truth.
This one truth I know. The events of 9/11 occurred. People died in horrific ways. This is all relevent to the choices that we are now facing. This is something that we should remember despite who wants us to remember and for whatever their purpose is.
See, I am not of a herd mentality. I can view this video and not be swayed by fear and/or anger toward or against anyone, but have my own solemn rememberance for the ppl that died on our soil that day and reflect on how far I have personally come since it occurred.... my own thoughts and my own experience.
It is not about politics to me and therefore, like I said, it could have been obama and/or ron paul's video and still, my thoughts would have been the same.
Originally posted by SpookyVince
For as much as I can be concerned, all I see here above is basically a fight between people...
I don't know if Amaterasu or justamomma are just understanding how absolutely blinded are the people in that meeting? (and that, whichever is the truth about your own little personal fight here above...)
The man named McCain and his fidel follower Palin are very dangerous people. They are not doing politics. They are hammering debilitating nationalist and pseudo-patriotic messages into the uneducated people. And the pseudo-educated are blinded enough too.
I tell you something people... Here in Europe we have maybe very different views on the world. I am simply not trying to say that America=wrong and Europe=good, that would be far too manichean. However, there is an amazing quantity of manipulation in your media, and the average level of education makes it easy for them to "program" the people into what they want.
Repeat, over and over, that the muslims have hijacked those planes, and the average american will support the war against "terrorism". Bingo!
Repeat, over and over, that Bin Laden is their boss, and the average american will support the endless Vietnam... huh... Afghanistan operation to find that bearded evil. (while, who knows, he may be enjoying a luxury suite in a nice hotel somewhere, paid by CIA credit cards)
Repeat, over and over, that the other guy running against you in this presidential election is not a good patriot, and the blind sheep will all sing together...
Open your eyes and stop looking at the stupid television news. Realise that there is something else. Whoever holds the truth, that video in topic is shocking. The public is blinded, driven. The ones presenting that "tribute" know what they do. That "tribute" is not one.
When we hold a tribute to the deaths of war or anything else in my country, we don't do it by blaming the responsible people. Open your eyes!
Originally posted by justamomma
reply to post by Amaterasu
I am not trying to be rude, but I will not be bothering to read your response to me.
Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Here is what the Firefighters union has to say about the creep Rudy.
Your RNC is full of lying bastards.
Originally posted by Chucktah
Originally posted by truthquest
Originally posted by nyk537
reply to post by setfree
The "jury is only out" for the few remaining conspiracy nuts out there who hold onto the belief that somehow "we" are responsible for what happened on 9/11.
I guess in all these years after 9/11 you've forgotten about all the evidence. Also you've forgotten that 1 in 10 Americans (and a lot higher percent overseas) believe the US government is responsible.
The conspiracy nuts believe that 9/11 was carried out by a conspiracy of 19 cavemen armed with box-cutters. The rest of us are conspiracy non-nuts who have looked at the evidence and believe they had help from western government.
[edit on 6-9-2008 by truthquest]
And how is saying that "1 in 10 Americans believe the US government is responsible," not propaganda. You and everyone on ATS that accuse the US government of carrying out 9-11 are spitting out propaganda!
"Propaganda: a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda."
Whether or not the showing of this video was in good taste or not means nothing. The fact of the matter is that they were trying to portray the danger that very much still exist for this country, and that the best candidate to deal with this threat is John McCain. After all, that is what an election is all about. To show that your candidate it the best fit for the job.