Trailer for the upcoming presentation from Pilots For 9/11 Truth, page 2

reply to post by johndoex

Johndoex: I am fairly new here and have only posted a few things, but really wanted to congratulate you on your point by point rebuttal of TY (hiliarious handle, BTW, too bad he is..welll...him).

What continually amazes me is how, here on ATS, otherwise rational people turn into freakin' nutter lunatics when confronted with things that don't fit into their worldview. I have sifted through many of the 9/11 threads and it is kills me how often guys like TY ask for PROOF when that proof was given multiple times in previous posts. They just ignore it. I only bring him up because he seems to be the most consistently guilty of not addressing points that he...cannot, I guess. I also noticed that, like many "official" type folk, he tends to ad hominem attacks and the tired old standard of asking questions as answers rather than just anwering what was asked.

This is not to say that those who do not support the "official" story are saints by any means (ULTIMA!'s circular evasions come readily to mind). Many employ the same tactics and I find a lot of the language intellectually dishonest and condescending. What many of these people would benefit from is reading "How To Win Friends and Influence People". Guess what? It is impossible to bring someone to your view by calling them or making them feel, stupid.

I appreciate that you took TY on point by point and while you certainly aren't a 10 on the ol' common courtesy scale, I understand that your rancor comes from a loooooooong history with TY, his many AKAs, evasions and disingenuous tactics.

I find his refusal to debate live on film fairly typical, though, as he is one of those who KNOWS that he owns the truth, period, but needs time to "prove" his point by "researching" his views. In any case, it would probaly have been a drab debate when one side keeps saying," I don't have all that information, I'll have to get back to you", huh? And you called it: he, predictably, begged off with "lots of excuses.

Good ones, in his mind, though, I'm sure.

As for me, my take on 9/11 is very simple: This administration did everything in their power to stop an investigation into the greatest act of Terrorism ever committed on American soil. Once one asks, "Cui Bono" from just that one thing, the dominoes begin to fall.

While I find much of the "official" story reeks like week old fish, there are "Truth" elements that are equally suspect.

The Full Truth is something we will never know, IMNSHO and that's why so much of the arguing screaming, etc is just farting in the wind.

While I respect the efforts to find the Truth and agree that there are massive problems with the "official" story, I wish people would realize that, contrary to all their "Evidence" THEY DON"T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, WHO DID IT OR WHY, PERIOD. Watching people continually bang on, presenting conjecture as fact, gets old from either side, y'know?

Words like, "I think", "what I have researched points to", "in my opinion" and such would help to further intellectual debate instead of stimulating passion... I think.

If the purpose of ATS is denying Ignorance, then pretending to own the truth when you don't know what said truth is, does not serve that goal and is intellectually arrogant as hell..

Sooo...there's my two cents, eh.