We need to organise a widespread police-filming event here in the UK...film them on the beat, film their patrol vehicles and get registration plates, film their actions toward others...and make sure it's done in at least pairs so when one person is challenged and has the lens blocked, the other can keep the cameras rolling

A designated day of mass citizen-video-surveillance of those who surveille us on a designated day and with full knowledge of the legal and civil right to film anyone in authority in a public place

stand-up for your rights to do this...and let's do it en-masse around the UK

As my hero Wolfie Smith always said ..."power to the people!"

Originally posted by justamomma

Originally posted by eNumbraPeople are being arrested and harassed for committing no crimes. End of story.

Well, in all honesty, the cops backed down when the ppl in the UK showed they were well versed on their rights.

And the videos of the Americans suspiciously started after the cops were already riled up, so we technically don't know if they were enticing the cops or not (which here in america tends to happen by ppl who want to stir things up for a story). I just find the general cop bashing to show ignorance when you don't have the whole story (at least in the last couple of videos).

Speaking of riling the cops up before the videos begin. I still find this deplorable since just a few days ago, your friend alex was arrested for inciting a riot chanting "kill michelle maulkin." yet, it turns out that the people who were actually chanting it near alex were WITH michelle maulkin. i dont think there are any circumstances where the cops should ever behave this way, riled or not. I saw no crime or threat to the police as the agression grew and grew. what was making them more and more agressive? the fact that the person was still not breaking the law or refusing to submit to an officer for no reason. see, how do we know michelle maulkins friends were not there pissing off those cops to get those people arrested. that is what makes me sick, that the repubs have been CAUGHT purposely posing as protesters and causing more trouble just to get the police riled up against the actual protesters. until we can stop that, these cops need to keep their hands to themselves and just arrest actual trouble makers, not REPORTERS. I am totally on alex' side on this. these people are causing trouble to prevent true and peaceful protestors from being heard and these cops are obviously abusing their authority and going above and beyond what is necessary. Hell, just look at them. They don't look like that cops in my town. they look like meathead millitary rejects that were steroid freaks and bullies in school that had more fun with homoerotic sports than girls. they really like alot of group male contact.

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and to the idiot that is worried about terrorsists video taping buildings to plan attacking them....do you not think that an attack would benefit more from the floorplans to a building which are readily available at the town hall?

you go video tape a building from the outside and then plan your attack and see how well it goes.

How can the elites possibly hope to get away with this?

Think about this for a minute. The information age is out of the bag. Everyone has a video capeable phone or will have one in a few years. The internet allows for instant dissemination of information. The new generation of kids are already part of this, and know the technology inside out, and are networked globally due to online gaming and facebooks, messengers, ircs, etc etc.

How do they expect to have a fascist society when every single thing they do will soon be documented? It's going to work both ways. For them to stop this they would literally have to take us back to the stone age. Which is perhaps why they are so hellbent on war.

1984 is a doomed scenario, quite simply because, contrary to that movie, the people themselves are begining to realise they have a far more effective network than the elites ever had... AND strength in numbers. The people's net is thrown far far wider and is far far tighter nit.

To borrow a term from Alex Jones, we truely are fighting in the infowars, each and every one of us, like it or not.

How the hell do you pull off a police state when you're being filmed live all the time? Because this is where we're heading. It's going to be histerically stupid.

There isn't enough flouride in the world to stop people from seeing what will be going on. And here was me thinking these folks were intelligent and subtle...

Originally posted by Universal LightWith all do respect, if you look around, you'll see that is exactly what's going on.

Funny! I was thinking the same thing only I am doubting most of you can.

Seek freedom and become captive of your desires. Seek discipline and find your liberty. ~Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles

Well on a positive note that first video kinda gives hints on how to defend ourselves against this whole tyranny supporting legal criminal behavior from the cops, and their damn cameras.

To film them, on and on, until they get insane and get your friedns to back you up when they get to harass you.

For each and everyone of us, in such a situation when an individual is being harassed and threatened in public, we've gotta wake up and support this person by intimidating back the cops, rather than looking at the scene like idiots. The more we are to act, the bigger chances we have to repel these legal bandits away.

Seems like the only efficient weapons we've got against the Police State is in fact its very own weapons... i.e. invasive cameras, conspiring, intimidation, harassment and an even more disgusting kind of violence against their person if they don't wanna back down.



[edit on 5/9/08 by Echtelion]

Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
Good job once again DD.

I wonder how long it will take for the influx of posters telling us this is for our own good, and that if we dont have anything to hide why does it matter?

Oddly enough, they will not question why if the PTB has nothing to hide, why they seem to care so much about the public filming them.

I don't think being arrested is for their own good, but there is information missing out of the video. It cuts out and we don't get to see what they did, we also don't get to see the beginning in the entirety. I haven't researched it so I don't know, but I imagine they had areas roped off that people weren't supposed to go and maybe they, in search of a story, were plowing through feeling that the rules didn't apply to them?
That being said, it would be nice to see during one of these arrests the people rise up and refuse to allow someone to be arrested, if they were actually arrested for nothing.

What is sad, people tend to not realize that America was "supposedly" founded of the people, by the people, for the people. The government is supposed to be under our control not the other way around. Even if it looked like it was slowly reversing, now with so many people, they could just corrupt our "representatives".

[edit on 5-9-2008 by thehype16]

Originally posted by Zepherian
How can the elites possibly hope to get away with this?

Unfortunately, the elite do not have to worry about "hope" as normal people do. Just about every massive movement by blue-collars/serfs has revolved around hope. That's all we have.

The elite don't need such things. All they need to do, is keep things as they are.

Something, I can't stand about some cops is the unjustification of action vs. action. What I mean by this is, look at the stories and episodes of cops using much greater force than needed. Example, cases of cops using guns on victims without guns, when they could've easliy walked away with a bruise but no there's a man with a bullet in him. Just the other night I was watching Cops(tv), and I saw two cops trying to assess a loud annoying woman. Do you know what happened? those 2 could've arrested her bare handed but no she gets the tazer gun. The fact that some cops, give threatful warnings in a not needed situation shows they are getting ready to cover their butt if its on tape, or repeated, or recorded. Much more I could say...

I realize cops are individual people making individual or peer influenced decisions, still no need to generalize them, I have met and sat down with a couple of cops. From what I heard or understand or from my own situations with them I know they(some) would use pepper spray, tazers, clubs before having to struggle with a citizen or take a hit.

One more thing I should say...Sean Bell.