agreed.

I am interested in the allegation that the pilot also made another sighting.

anyone confirm this from another source?

Very nice one mister, starred and a flag...
Keep up the good work!

i would love to see someone call this a hoax.. we have very credible witnesses .. I suggest you watch the whole video.. looks like this happens more then once in awhile.

Terauchi's cockpit companions (a different crew from flight 1628's) again were uncertain as to what, if anything, had happened.

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Shermanium,

Good find with that People archive. I think what the People article should have speculated on was the motivation for the co-pilot and flight engineer not corroborating Terachui's observations. Being the captain, he was probably protecting them (aircrew) from sticking their necks out by admittinng to having seen what Terauchi did. This was 1987, and a high-profile Japanese company. It's risky to go on the record about such stuff today, let alone twenty years ago.

My gut feeling is that the three officers on the flight deck at the time all saw the UAP and that Terauchi was protecting them by being the only one to come out and report in full on what exactly happened.

This is certainly a fascinating case.
An aircraft carrier of itself is an incredible sight, something twice the size of an aircraft carrier along side your aircraft at some serious altitude , is certainly something not to be confused with a planet.

FAA spokesman stated, "We are accepting the descriptions of the crew, but are unable to support what they saw."
Even that grudging statement must of killed them to have to say.




Starred and flagged.

Thanx for that great post Internos.
It has the ussual quality we learned to trust from you.

We must consider that unidentified objects of large sizes comparable to what we normaly operate could be utilizing small signatures to be captured by our own radar. This time it was pilots visual recongition that was estimating the true size of the object. If no airplane was crossing the same altitude and space as that puzzling object did we wouldn't be discussing in this thread today. This can make me think that more objects of that size may be traversing through our skies that we may realize.
According to our proportions and manners of building any kind of contraptions, objects with above a certain limit of size tend to have numerous features extending out of a normal streamline, which would be much more simplistic in smaller models, it does not happen in larger ones. Try to think a small frigate streamline against the more complicated silhouete an aircraft carrier for example. The shape of the Unidentifying object in question in a certain illustration, if it follows an accurate visual testimony, shows some diffusion. There would be a possibility that big unidentified contraptions like that could follow similar patterns like our contraptions do. In order for aspects of their technology to be concealed they could be using a kind of shape diffusion that would present a simpler more streamlined shape instead of visible discernable features that would reveal some philosophies of their technology.

The fact that gigantic contraptions like that would roam freely around out atmosphere at least brieffly, must make us wonder that if more advanced technologies can roam freely in our airspace, then whoever operates them why are they not making any kind of claims uppon us? We should contrast this kind of attitude at least from certain cases against our own attitudes and realize that there might be a tottaly different game out there, with a different set of rules and habits than the one we have been accustomed to follow here.

The simple question that asks, why since they seem more powerfull do not make a move against us, might be the primary reason of why the skeptics do not believe stories about UFOs.
Maybe politics among interstelar civilizations require much more complicated
procedures and maybe do not worth the effort of someone making a move against an technologicaly inferior civilization. Yet there is the aspect of the visitation itself that argues against our presumed insignificancy.

There we are puzzled by the concept of a spiritual/cultural evolution versus a technological one. We don't really know which one is more important than the other.
Visitations of unidentifying flying objects generate numerous valid questions about them and about ourselves and our place in this universe.
Denying the phenomenon of visitation won't make us understand in what kind of universe we currently live in.

Originally posted by mckyle
I think what the People article should have speculated on was the motivation for the co-pilot and flight engineer not corroborating Terachui's observations. Being the captain, he was probably protecting them (aircrew) from sticking their necks out by admittinng to having seen what Terauchi did. This was 1987, and a high-profile Japanese company. It's risky to go on the record about such stuff today, let alone twenty years ago.

My gut feeling is that the three officers on the flight deck at the time all saw the UAP and that Terauchi was protecting them by being the only one to come out and report in full on what exactly happened.

Which aircrew are you referring to?

November 17, 1986 (JAL 1628)
January 11, 1987 (Terauchi' second reported sighting, different crew)

from Macabee's report on 1628:

copilot

THE copilot, Takanori Tamefuji, compared the numerous lights or flames to "Christmas
assorted" lights with a "salmon" color. (9) He said, "I remember red or orange, and white
landing light, just like a landing light. And weak green, ah, blinking. " The intensity wasn't
constant but rather it pulsated: "became stronger, became weaker., became stronger, became
weaker, different from strobe lights" (which have very quick flashes). The lights were
"swinging" in unison as if there were "very good formation flight...close (formation)" of two
aircraft side by side. He had no doubt that he was seeing some sort of aerial object or objects
just ahead and to the left of the airplane. He compared the clarity of the lights to seeing
"night flight head-on traffic" at which time it is only possible to see the lights on the
approaching aircraft and "we can not see the total shape."

Flight Engineer

THE flight engineer who sat behind the copilot, Yoshio Tsukuba, had a poorer view of the
lights. He recalled that when he first saw them he was looking "through the L1 window at the
11 o'clock position" (about 30 degrees to the left of straight ahead) and he saw "clusters of
lights undulating." (10) The clusters were "made of two parts...shaped like windows of an
airplane" (i.e., arranged in square or rectangular clusters). He emphasized that "the lights in
front of us were different from town lights." He described the colors as white or amber.

From Macabee's End Notes:

The
order of events as presented here seems, to this author, to be the most consistent with the
testimony of the copilot and the flight engineer and the ARTCC tape. It should be noted that
the lights were first seen by the captain in a location to the left and below the plane where
neither the copilot nor the flight engineer would be likely to look. Whether or not the captain
mentioned them at that time is not known. But all three witnesses recalled seeing the lights
remaining in front and somewhat to the left of the aircraft for a number of minutes and then
seeing the light return to the left side as far back as the 9 o’clock position After the
lights dropped back farther than that, only the pilot was easily able to see them because of his
position on the left side of the cockpit. Thus the total event consisted of a single witness
sighting at the beginning, a multiple witness sighting in the middle and a single witness
sighting at the end.

7) Notes made by Special Agents Jack Wright, James Derry and Ronald Mickle after the crew was
interviewed just after the plane landed at Anchorage on November 17.

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This is very frustrating!

The large, "Walnut-shaped" craft described by the JAL pilot reminded me of the description of a UFO seen off the California coast some time in last year (or two?).

The description was posted on ATS by a member whose name I have forgotten. I tried to search for it, but there are so many posts (and so little time!).


As I remember, the California sighting was described as ovoid when viewed head-on but somewhat of a "compressed", or flattened, circle (walnut-shaped) if viewed from above or below. The craft had a conical protusion on the "front" and "rear"; the rear cone was centered in a inverted conical indentation (I picture the air intake of a jet engine).

There were three "ridges" extending along the top of the craft from the front to the rear of the craft. The ridges blended smoothly into the body of the vehicle, the center ridge was the largest and tallest of the three.



Again, I know that this description has been posted somewhere on these boards, I just cannot find it!


I do not recall the poster saying the size of the craft observed was anywhere near the size of an aircraft carrier, but its the general shape of the object that piques my interest.


The similarities of the descriptions might well indicate a common origin.

Consider how, for the most part, despite differences in actual size, most of Earth's aircraft follow the same basic form: a tube with flattened, perpendicular protrusions.

Could the similarities between these two craft be the expression of a design paradigm as realized by a particular race of ET's?


Or was the poster I cannot find just being a "copycat"?

mckyle,

Thats what i thought. Forgive me if i seemed flippant in my response, but your reply prompted me to dig a little.... deny ignorance, right?

This second sighting needs to be "fully vetted"

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Hello internos, during searching on the net I found this one.
And because of the in my opinion reasonable comparison with the shape of the object seen by Captain Terauchi and his crew I found it important enough to post it.
What is your view on it?

771122/01:00 – Município de Belém - Baía do Sol (Mosqueiro Island) – Reddish light moving north about 30 meters above the bay in front of Ponta do Machadinho (island of Colares), 1,500 meters from beach, alternately climbing and descending (wavy motion?), then disappearing suddenly. At 01:30 a new sighting with the same characteristics.