I'm not saying that there is a Masonic conspiracy or that their isn't one. But I would like to say that if you want to know, just join. All you need to do to join a Masonic fraternity is ask someone who is a Mason. You will be introduced, voted on and if accepted, you begin your degrees. The easiest way to find out if there is a conspiracy is to infiltrate.

Why not join and go through the steps to find out on your own and make your own decision. The higher you go, the more you may find out.

JackCash

I can answer this one - because ultimately, it takes more time and effort than searching for a youtube video, and copying and pasting text from fundamentalist websites.

Right!

I understand you now. But this is exactly the problem. Most people think of research as checking google and the likes on the internet when what you should be doing is "Field Research".

That is true Achillies 13. And very good advice to remember. But it could be done instead of just guessing and wondering all of the time.

Actually, what the antis are saying is that there are hidden groups within freemasonry that use it for nefarious purposes.

No one can prove that these groups don't exist, and the antis apparently can't prove that these groups do exist. Of course, the burden of proof is on the party who makes the claim. However, the antis can always point to the Propaganda Due Lodge as proof that it can happen and that it did happen.

It's not like any joe who walks off the street would immediately be told all the secrets if he were to join such a lodge. Do you seriously think everyone who joined the P2 Lodge was immediately told about the intimate detail of their illegal operations, their involvement with the Vatican Bankers and the mafia?

I doubt it. I also seriously doubt that joining a single Lodge would do anything for proving the non-existence of masonic conspiracy theories. Even if you did reach the 33rd, the antis would still say you are simply out of the loop. (as for example, not all Generals were aware of the Manhattan Project.)

It's possible. (but, IMO not likely)

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Originally posted by JackCash
Why not join and go through the steps to find out on your own and make your own decision. The higher you go, the more you may find out.

Its ironic that you mention it, because a good percentage of ATS-Masons joined specifically for that reason. And instead of finding some grand world dominating conspiracy have now become a member of one of the best fraternities in town. Making many friends/brothers for life.

Ask any ATS-Mason and they will tell you the such...

Originally posted by dunwichwitch
Isn't it odd that the music industry, down to even the so called "indie" labels, is controlled by Masons?

It does in fact sound very odd. Who specifically are you refering to as having a Masonic affiliation?

I've had firsthand experience with Masons traipsing around as indie musicians...

I must admit, musician is far better then the typical pedophile, gang-stalker, Satanist occupation we normally get saddled with.

Why do Masons feel the need to take over and destroy indie music?

I look at it this way, if we kill you before you make it big then you can never be accused of 'selling out'.

Originally posted by GodshipForAll
And I take a walk every day and see major companies owned by Mason members. It's everywhere.

Can you list a few of these corporations? It should not be very difficult since you have stated that they are everywhere.

Also a lot of these masons run a lot of the major companies stores in town and run their own private business......seems like they seem to help each other out
now why not just drop the secret group and, help everyone out.


Hi I'm from the Human society would you like to join and work benefiting each other?
Here there's no initiation, secret oaths, windowless buildings to hide in.

All you need to be is human. And work together on prospering for everyone.....
There are no levels or degrees in Human...... all is equal.

but shhhhhh don't tell our secrets or we'll..................? I wouldn't know not even any drunk porch masons told me any secrets lol

oh ya also Kinda neato that Freemasons designed and built our parliament building here in Canada.....thanks masons we sure couldn't of done it ourselves....and leave the awful demonic crap all over it with your "secret" symbols and altars.........wtf Why is our government building built by a not-so-secret society ........They sure as hell don't represent Canada and should have no business doing so.... separation from church and state I guess doesn't apply to Freemasonry

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