Hoodies, hats banned from shops, page 7
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reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 01:08 AM by meadowfairy
Originally posted by KTK
Ha try living there....ITS ABOUT THE KIDS NOT THE HOODIES



My Nan has lived in the area for the last 15 years. My good friend was born and bred in the area. There are 2 reasons for the feral teens.

Bout 10 years ago the area had a masive influx of people who had sold their houses in the outer suburbs of Sydney and Melbourne. These kids parents had alot of disposable cash to indulge thier toddlers in. These are the sorts who dont disipline thier kids nor do they actually care what the kids are up to cause whatever it is, it is no where as bad as it would be in balcktown or frankston from which they came.
The areas demographics is retired folk and these types of families with not much in between. The infrastructure of the area is poor for the kids. The retirees have lawn bowls and clubs, they are catered for and the kids are forgotten , BORED with little disipline or respect.

Now the area is small and every teen knows each other as there arnt many schools either. Substance abuse and teen pregnancies are rife in the area

These kids would hit the mall en mass and intimidate and roll folk, smash and grab from shops, we arnt talking 5 or 6 kids we are talking groups of 20+++++++






So its not about the hoodies its about the kids with anti social personality disorders who beat up old people and families with young kids, while they are trying to go to woollies to get thier groceries.






The hoodies (racked from city beach tweed city)just give a fair indication that the wearer is an anti social f***tard.



I suppose its what happens when kids are overindulged and undersupervised.


Its not just this area though its all over oz, no wonder they want to charge and arrest parents for thier crap kids.


[edit on 4-9-2008 by KTK]


This is how i used to talk about strife kids till i had my own. When you dont have kids you babble on about others kids and then one day you have your own then you understand and your life simply changes. I agree alot of parents are lazy with their children. But i dont agree with a nanny state. All parents should stand up and discipline their kids. But its a bit hard since the stupid law is that you cant discipline your children in public. So then what happens your kids grow up to be ignorant and disrespectful because they get to do whatever they want. And why? because of people like you who get all witchy about the discipline of kids and then inact laws where they cant eb disciplined. Live with it. Thats how mouthers like you and i built it.


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 02:24 AM by spitefulgod
Originally posted by jimmyjackblack
reply to post by spitefulgod


You just don't like hoodies, you sexy asian profile pic!

I like hoodies, in fact I need them for health reasons, I'm a thermophile and I need the heat to keep me from getting sick.

-Jimmy


But there is a difference between the slow sloth like qualities of a rocker/goth/emo and the "you what", ten man qualities of a trendy/chav/asshole.

Saying that though your depressive/seen it/done it attitude make me wonder about you and whether you do indeed have penchant for thievery!!!! Cuff that hoodie boys!!

I was enlightened to a new stereotype over the week though. Check urban dictionary for Freshboy

[edit] Chuff??? What's a chuff?

[edit on 5/9/2008 by spitefulgod]


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 03:05 AM by C.C.Benjamin
There still seems to be much confusion over the issue of "'s not dur hoodies, its der kids".

We, of course, are fully aware that articles of clothing are not leaping up in the dead of night, when the angelic children are fast asleep in their beds, assembling themselves to look like a human teenager and then running off to rob corner shops and intimidate people walking home.

I want to make that clear, so you will no longer need to say "it is not the hoodies, its the kids". Okay? We get it. Now, we want you to understand what we are saying.

The hoodies are a facilitator.

They provide anonymity, and when a kid is thinking about committing a crime, the ability to hide your face means you are less afraid of the consequences, which is what the law is all about: consequences.

You might not commit crimes because you find them morally abhorrent, but when these little punks don't commit crimes because they are afraid of getting caught.

Wearing a hoodie removes the threat of getting caught, thus removes the fear of consequences.

Now, I know your fingers are itching to interrupt me with a "but its the kids, not the hoodies!", but stay with me here.

Not allowing the kids to wear hoodies means that the kids will be restrained from committing gross crimes because people will be able to find out who they are and extract punishment upon them.

Therefore without the hoodies, the kids who wish to commit crimes will find themselves with less opportunity to do so, and therefore less crime will be committed.


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 04:00 AM by mopusvindictus
I'm sorry, here I go I'm going to say something that gets me in trouble for being politically incorrect agian...

Banning Hoddies doesn't change anything niether does any law, Jail can at best be school for criminal behavior.

There is only one answer, kids wearing a closed hoodie are probably thugs and punks ... and you'll know if it's a really shy kid lol

Dad needs be allowed to kick the kids ass

If the state has to step in, it needs to be corperal punishment like those American Grafitti kids in Singapore... maybe not a cane that leaves the permanent mark...

But severe pain, that works, it's the only thing that works

Everybody acts like an ass whooping is bad because of fools that abuse thier kids.

But reality check,

It's a lifetime of discipline to make an aggressive teen not act like a punk, it's conditioning, not ruining a kids life but locking him in jail when he finally really hurts someone, it's a smack in the arse when he doesn't listen when young and it needs to be done

and IF my kid was say 16 and he was intimidating old people at the mall, or out being a thug. MY Choice as a parent

Leave him for the State to get ahold of and put away and ruin his record...

Or

Go down there myself take him and his punk friends around the corner and deal with it?

I guarantee those kids go on to be a part of scoiety without a ruined life and also NEVER do it again when I get done with them.

I also Guarantee send them to jail they absolutely will do it again

Ending corporal punishment was the perfect way to criminalize our society so that money could be made from a prison system


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 05:32 AM by TruthTellist
reply to post by mopusvindictus


I reserved the right to smack my kids - but that was decades ago.

I made sure they knew I reserved that right as I found that anticipation of punishment was an even more effective teaching tool.

They need to be threatned with pain, but by a person who is morally restrained from ever actually inflicting it. They don't know you won't hit 'em, but they'll still spend hours in their rooms waiting in nerve shattering anticipation over something that possibility. Then when you do punish them, they are thankful to be grounded or have their bike taken for the week, or given broccoli sandwiches.

The police used to do it to.


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 08:13 AM by enlighten2012
reply to post by tezzajw


my opinion, i dont think banning hoodies will deter people from shop lifting at all and if the people who think they're being discrimnated against have a prob, they should do something about it. though, i doubt they will and just remove their hoodies.....

its like when we were told we couldent smoke or ride skateboards in a shopping centre. we b*icthed and moaned for awhile then got over it.
sure its s*cks rarara though thats life unfortunatley.

btw, i heard those noises in the bourke st mall and i'm 32!!!


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 11:22 AM by Raist
reply to post by Sonya610


reply to post by Sonya610


There have been times we have disagreed on subjects and that is fine each subject is different to each person that is what makes us individuals.

I just want to point out I agree with you on both of these posts. As well as add a few things to what you were saying.

Really there is nothing wrong with this and it is a private rule not a law for those who think differently. I get tired of people saying this is law or police state when it is a business decision. If someone does not agree with the decision go someplace else. Every bank I can think of locally has the same rules in effect; they include sunglasses and hats as well. I guess most people opposing this do not bank or somehow their banks do not have such rules yet. The most they can do is ask you to leave at which point if you refuse you are trespassing. Despite popular belief you are in the public when in a privately owned business not in a public place.

I do not visit my bank often as I have direct deposit and use a check card for 99% of things. I do though still wear my hat when I have had to go and sign for home/car loans. I still wore my sunglasses for the first few minutes while my eye adjusted to a lower light condition (a lot of light bothers my eyes). Not once has anybody talked me for wearing either nor have they asked me to take them off. I believe the biggest issue is what you represent yourself to be and your actions. If I walk into the bank and start looking around or acting funny chances are I will stick out being that I am wearing the things I am and will be noticed even more.

I have seen plenty of the criminal types driving cars that cost more than mine, wearing clothing/jewelry/shoes that cost far more than I am willing to spend on such things and see them using/buying drugs that cost what would be about a half or full day’s pay. If they have this sort of cash to blow they are choosing to remain in the areas they are. They are also choosing to remain criminals as well. They are young healthy and able to work (factories around here are always hiring) thing is they are too lazy to work for their cash they want it free and easy.

I wonder though if some posters on here had parents that let them do whatever they wanted. Every place has rules; you either follow them or don’t go there. Just because someplace says “no shirt, no shoes, no service” should we get all huffy and complain as well or should we look at it as not everyone wanting to see your hairy disgusting body? What about the cell phones and the theater how many people getting mad about this are mad about that? Sorry but if I owned my own business I want full rights to be able to place rules that I choose and serve those I choose to serve. Or should we start allowing government take over those choices for the businesses?

Raist


[edit on 9/5/08 by Raist]


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 11:30 AM by Raist
reply to post by mopusvindictus


I can agree with this also. Whatever happened to children getting their butts whipped? It is not abuse despite what some would say as there is a difference. I am not saying beat the kid until they bruise or bleed. I mean to simply spank their butts. They even did this in schools when I went to school; I tried to avoid them for many reasons. I got them in school and at home both; I’m not out killing people or beating my son.

Today I think some of the parents need a butt whipping too seeing as how they let their kids run amuck.

Of course we can always let our kids do as they wish and see what our society becomes. But I think there is a good indication of how that will turn out by looking at much of society now.

Raist
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