Sorry fool, but "Community Activist" is not preparation to become the President of the United States.

Besides, his largest achievement was a housing development built by his al Tony Resko, which is now shuttered because of poor and unsafe construction. Obama knows that his good buddy went to jail because of this project.

He took money from this man, who negotiated the purchase of Obama's house, and co-purchased the lot next door. Obama got a $300,00 pay off, and ended up with a multi-million dollar piece of property.

He has been an Illinois State Senator, and a U.S Senator, and in those 8 years has become a multi-millionaire. Strange, because none of those jobs pay at that level.

But of course we are supposed to trust this guy, right?

He's nothing but a cleaned up hood from the hood.

Why are you guys even talking about non-issues like this? Wake up, this is just political crap and has nothing to do with the issues.

If you let this kind of stuff determine your vote then you are part of the problem.

If you push this kind of stuff as reasons why you shouldn't vote for someone, then you are part of the problem.

I mean seriously, how can you argue about this stuff? There are so many valid reasons why both McCain and Obama aren't worth voting for, and over and over this is the kind of crap people argue over.

Wake up!

Here is exactly why this is an issue...

I found a great article that lays it out on the line. But first let me say that you should know better when you say that they were only attacking Obama on is being a community organizer. They purposely used a generalization that community organizers don't have an influential role in society.

As the article I will post lays out even Rudy Gulliani once praised these people for the work they do. Apparently, Rudy Gulliani was FOR community organizing before he was AGAINST it.

Now here's the kicker, community organizer are responsible for helping parents hockey and soccer leagues (HELLO!!! Hockey mom anyone?) and help them get access to fields to use for the games.

And...what the do you think the PTA is? It's a community organization where parents get together to "get their way" with the school system. Ummm...wasn't Sarah Palin in the PTA??

Giuliani agreed to provide a large swath of vacant public land in a neglected part of Brooklyn. At the groundbreaking ceremony for the Nehemiah homes [depicted in the documentary film, The Democratic Promise Giuliani, surrounded by hundreds of EBC activists, lavished praise on the group. "Most of the political establishment in this city opposed them [and] tried to undercut them," he said. Then he lauded EBC because "they do not pay homage to political figures...They require you to answer their questions. They remind you that you are a public servant."

Giuliani has since forgotten those words of praise, but he was correct. Community organizers make democracy work by mobilizing people to inject long-ignored issues onto the public agenda and hold politicians accountable. They help give people the confidence they need to use the tools of democracy. In a society where wealth and income is concentrated in a few hands, grassroots organizations make it possible for ordinary Americans to find their civic voice and exercise influence in politics.

Our democracy works best when people come together to solve problems, not simply by voting every few years, but also by participating in a wide array of voluntary organizations--the "civil society" that serves as a mediator between the power of business and money and the authority of government. Politicians need to listen to people's problems, help them forge solutions, and give voice to their hopes, rather than stoke people's fears and prejudices.

The article sums the ISSUE up perfectly...

Republicans thought they were being smart mocking community organizing. But what they didn't understand is that their smug comments weren't simply an attack on Barack Obama, but on the entire grassroots chain of change that has, for over 200 years, made America a more democratic and humane country.

How do you think women and blacks got the right to vote? How do you think blacks were finally allowed to sit at the FRONT of the bus? Or be allowed into restaurants and stores that didn't want them there? It's because of community organizers.

How do you think that entire neighborhoods were saved from being wiped out because the city government decided it would have a better use as a parking garage?

Why do you think that the city finally did something about that river that was full of trash and toxic waste?

You better thank you lucky stars for community orgainizers.

Apparently, according to the speakers at the RNC you're service to the community only matters if it's for political gain, power, and money.

Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Lloyd
What's the matter bro why did you leave social work?
Did you burn out on big city problems??

Lloyd tell the truth. Not enough money for you? Not enough respect??

What did you DO as a social worker??

What is exactly your beef with community organizers??

They didn't solve all those problems fast enough for you?

Tell me Lloyd.

I quit because I got tired of paving yellow brick roads for people who were too stupid to follow them. You could plan out every single detail, and they'd still manage to screw up.

There are just some people who simply don't want to be helped, they'd rather piss and moan about how unfair life is, and blame others for their mistakes. I was a tough love kind of guy, and I didn't tolerate BS very well. If someone wanted help, I'd help them, but if they just wanted to waste my time, I'd tell them to come back when they were ready to do some work.

I worked with all the various populations at one time or another, crazies, addicts, mentally challenged, elderly, parolees, etc.

I have no personal beef with community organizers, I just don't feel they're quite as important as they seem to think they are. In reality they do very little aside from empowering others to do for themselves. That involves no real labor of work on their part, just a lot of talking. Talk is cheap in my opinion, and most people seem to like the sound of their own voices too much.

[edit on 5-9-2008 by LLoyd45]

Originally posted by LLoyd45

Originally posted by Leo Strauss

I quit because I got tired of paving yellow brick roads for people who were too stupid to follow them. You could plan out every single detail, and they'd still manage to screw up.

There are just some people who simply don't want to be helped, they'd rather piss and moan about how unfair life is, and blame others for their mistakes. I was a tough love kind of guy, and I didn't tolerate BS very well. If someone wanted help, I'd help them, but if they just wanted to waste my time, I'd tell them to come back when they were ready to do some work.

I worked with all the various populations at one time or another, crazies, addicts, mentally challenged, elderly, parolees, etc.

I have no personal beef with community organizers, I just don't feel they're quite as important as they seem to think they are. In reality they do very little aside from empowering others to do for themselves. That involves no real labor of work on their part, just a lot of talking. Talk is cheap in my opinion, and most people seem to like the sound of their own voices too much.

[edit on 5-9-2008 by LLoyd45]

Lloyd thanks for your service. These are not easy problems. I think neighborhood folks respond better to community organizers because they don't feel like they are being patronized by self serving do gooders.

Helping yourself always feels better than getting hand outs. But it is not that easy no it's not. What are you doing now?

[edit on 5-9-2008 by Leo Strauss]

Originally posted by Shazam The Unbowed
A "community organiser" is nothing but a low level cog in a political machine. Nothing more, nothing less. Its not some sanctified secular preisthood, or some great and noble profession. A community organiser gets people together to demand free crap from the government, or bitch about crap they dont like. Why am I not surprised however that liberals find this profession to be the epitomy and apotheosis of public service and nobility.

[edit on 9/4/2008 by Shazam The Unbowed]

A typical characteristic of mayors, of big towns or small towns, is their skill at creating division among the people their towns. They have to because towns, big towns or small towns, are made up of special interests. For a politician it is a matter picking sides in order to gain votes and retain political power. Giuliani represented a big town and Palin represents a small town, both are adepts at using divisive tactics in order to gain political influence. However, a good mayor will balance special interests towards the benefit of the public at large, rather than just for the groups who represent those interests.

We know the history of Giuliani.

Palin's speech at the RNC rests on the basic foundation of "name calling". It was lower than high school. It was kindergarten trash talking. The difference in level of responsibility between the office of mayor to community organizer is not something that she should have had to point out. A mayor of a town should have larger and perhaps more important responsibilities than a community organizer. One being able to handle those responsibilities should be a qualification of the office of mayor. The fact that she chose to highlight the difference in the way that she did is in actuality an elitist thing to do. And there are not more ways to look at it than that. The root is the root.

On the other hand community organizers are generally faced with the difficult task of bringing people together irrespective of their racial, ethnic, social, and economic backgrounds for the purpose of opening lines of communication, and keeping them open, so that all who live in a town might understand one another in order to create a situation where most, if not all, benefit from the best that the town has to offer. Community organizers are the real peace officers and peace keepers of any town; it certainly is not the police. And it damn sure ain't the mayor. Community organizers create situations where all of a town's citizens have the opportunity to socialize with one another and discuss important changes that a town might have to undergo. Community organizers are the ones who are out in the field making sure that citizens are kept informed, and that citizens use their voices and votes for rightful causes. Community organizers are motivators of the citizenry; second only to the citizens who organize and motivate themselves. Mayors, on the other hand, excel at keeping citizens in the dark on just about any matter that will conflicts with the town's and state's special interest groups. However, a good mayor will use community organizers to the benefit of the mayor, the town's citizens, and the special interest groups. A good mayor would also praise the efforts of community organizers. Especially since most of what a community organizer does is at the community organizer's expense and not the expense of the city or the state.

Palin did was what she was expected to do. She appealed to the Republican party through a speech with language it knows and appreciates. And if it hadn't been written specifically for her, old GWB could have delivered it to the same effect. It was the same old, same old delivered by someone younger whose qualifications for the office of Vice President are just as dubious as GWB's were for the office of President.

Here's another thing she can apologise for: You remember that jet she said she sold on ebay? Well, it turns out that was a lie too. She didn't sell it on ebay, but instead privately sold it at a loss to one of her campaign contributors who got a pretty good deal on a jet at the expense of the taxpayers...Someone needs to start a thread compiling in order all of the blatently false information she fed the viewers the other night. This is unbelievable. Even worse is how she is refusing to talk to the press or go on any of the talk shows and account for all that she said.

You know if I said the things she did, I think I would run and hide too....actually, I would issue a press release apology, and bow out of the race, but then I don't make my living the way she does and never would either.



[edit on 5-9-2008 by skyshow]

Another thing that needs to be mentioned is that Palin's comparison of the Office of Mayor to community organizer seems to speak of a fear that she has of community organizers. It is true that community organizers have often organized the citizenry of a town against the aims and directives of the town's mayor. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a community organizer.

Bottom line: If Palin had any respect for community organizer's she wouldn't have made the speech that she made at the RNC. She obviously hold's contempt for those who would work for free towards the betterment of their communities. At worse, she holds a general fear of people who would organize themselves without her say-so.

Originally posted by skyshow
... This is unbelievable. Even worse is how she is refusing to talk to the press or go on any of the talk shows and account for all that she said.

She is not refusing. Her republican handlers (turdblossom Rove) have determined it would not be in the interest of the republican party if Sarah Palin were to speak extemporaneously.

She needs the teleprompter and speechwriters. You see the secret Karl Rove does not want us to know is that she is a bug eyed extremist!!!