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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 04:58 PM by SectionEight

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by Shazam The Unbowed

I suggest for the purpose of discussion we ignore this person.
ITS goal is not to discuss, ITS goal is to bully and troll.

Lol, your call to ignore him has caused your demise for his post has more stars than yours. His post contains a message that is cleverly crafted, what do you offer other than censorship of his message?

I was looking for a thread like this. All the reactions reaffirm my initial assessment of the RNC Palin night, the angry left just got angrier. That is a success for the angrier they get the more bold they get and the more mistakes they make and the more visible they become. They are already flaunting their unfettered power of the media in response. They still don't get it how Bush managed to be a two term president, and it has nothing to do with his charm or personallity. The angry left is a powerful ally in their perfectly predictable behavior to the Bush's and McCain's of politics. When the people are more scared by the antics of the angy left than the Bush's or McCain's they will vote for who they least fear. Obama the man has been taken out of the equation, it is the larger angry left they see not the man Obama. Tactics with proven results, just look at Bush.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:01 PM by Bombeni

She also lied when she said "no thanks" to the feds on the bridge. The bridge deal had already been cancelled before she took office. After that I knew I couldn't believe anything she said, but somehow I knew that innately.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:09 PM by LLoyd45

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

No, she said they didn't have any actual responsibilities.

The only responsibilities they have are to organize. They don't implement the plans, or actually do the work themselves. Someone else has that responsibility. They're facilitators. sheesh!

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:27 PM by skyshow

reply to post by LLoyd45

After having a good laugh I will say this, obviously you have never got down in the trenches and worked for several years in community service related work. If you did you would know more about how complex and vast the need is. He not only taught Constitutional Law, but did civil rights legal work and served in the Illinois state legislature for years before being elected to the United States Senate. He served on various committees, and contrary to what the VP nominee on the Repbublican ticket claims (while looking you right in the eye) he was a part of signing and drawing up multiple pieces of legislature and if you are interested in what that all is, you have but to look.

Have you even been to graduate school? Do you have any idea how much work, dedication, brains, and abilities to work well with people and get stuff done it takes just to get through graduate school? Listen, this man has done more since he graduated with his undergraduate degree (a place where Palin stopped with her BA in Communications) that I will ever acomplish in two lifetimes. It's honorable to help the poor and do community building, Rudi and Sarah insult those who do that work and those who benifit from it, and thus she insults Americans. That's a no-go in my book!

Why do you Republicans put down those who dedicate their lives and work hard to help the poor, and then preach Christian values at the same time? There's something very wrong with this type of thinking and it's being promoted now as we saw last night in the GOP and see right here now on ATS.

I'm so glad I left the Republican party back in the 90's. I thought it was bad then...who would have thought it could get worse and do so day by day!

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:38 PM by mike dangerously

Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by mike dangerously

What I'm having difficulty with is realizing that she is so incompetent that she is unable to do the very basic activity of a political professional and edit the freaking' speech. Anyone with a half of a bird brain would have looked at the comment and seen how incredibly insulting to so many honorable good hard working Americans who want to help the poor, but she goes forward with it bringing it up several times. Not only that but the blatant outright un-researched lies. She doesn't have to agree with her opponents, and she of course is free to attack on the issues, but to not even be capable of seeing the false and stupid (politically) statements in her speech, shows us all clearly that this woman is not presidential / vice presidential material at all. She can not represent the most diverse nation on earth and say such insulting stupid things.

And then there are all the party faithful who cheer her on. So now we learn that the Republicans are against community organizing (let's organize the community to be against community organizing...WTF This is the GOP 2008!!!) so that people don't have to rely on government programs but would be able to take care of themselves. Moreover they claim to be the most Christian-like party with a monopoly on moral values and then we see this heinous speech. What a joke!

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Palin's speech simply confrims what alot of people think about the GOP it's the party of the war mongers,bible thumpers and racists.Granted, the Dems are not much better and they are two sides of the coin which is why we need a strong third party.

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:46 PM by vertol

She doesn't owe anyone ! anything .she was in prime form last night ,and her speech was right-on .period ,And she is going to swing plenty of women her way !.So get used to seeing her face ! cause it's going to be around for a long time .

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:49 PM by LLoyd45

Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by LLoyd45

This is so laughable and pathetic. Obviously you have never got down in the trenches and worked for several years in community service related work. If you did you would know more about how complex and vast the need is.

I used to be a social worker, how about you? A social worker does a lot more to help people out than an organizer could ever dream of doing. They not only organize and put together plans, they also implement and oversee the whole process. Does my past work also qualify me for the presidency? i think not..

He not only taught Constitutional Law, but did civil rights legal work and served in the Illinois state legislature for years before being elected to the United States Senate. He served on various committees, and contrary to what the VP nominee on the Repbublican ticket claims (while looking you right in the eye) he was a part of signing and drawing up multiple pieces of legislature and if you are interested in what that all is, you have but to look.

He used community organization to advance his own political ambitions, and left after only three years by his own admission. It was a dead end position for a man with presidential aspirations. Please provide a link to all this legislation he drew up. As far as I'm aware, he just put his name down on a lot of other peoples work.

Have you even been to graduate school? Do you have any idea how much work, dedication, brains, and abilities to work well with people and get stuff done it takes just to get through graduate school?

Yes I hold a Masters degree, what about yourself? You're talking out of your hat otherwise.

Listen, this man has done more since he graduated with his undergraduate degree (a place where Palin stopped with her BA in Communications) that I will ever acomplish in two lifetimes.

That may be so in your case, but I think Sarah Palin is another issue altogether.

It's honorable to help the poor and do community building, Rudi and Sarah insult those who do that work and those who benifit from it, and thus she insults Americans. That's a no-go in my book!

It is honorable work, but they only ridiculed Obama's for trying to use it as a substitute for experience in a Presidential race. Palin has ran an entire state with a multi billion dollar budget, and over 15,000 state employees. How does Obama's experience compare to that? We also have his ridiculous comparison of running his campaign as experience for the POTUS. Can you say exaggeration?

Why do you Republicans put down those who dedicate their lives and work hard to help the poor, and then preach Christian values at the same time? There's something very wrong with this type of thinking and it's being promoted now as we saw last night in the GOP and see right here now on ATS.

I didn't know they did. Maybe you just can't differentiate between someone pointing out obvious exaggerations by Barack from actual criticism..

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:50 PM by skyshow

reply to post by mike dangerously

I strongly agree! We need a party to represent "we the people" ...the working poeple and the poor rather than the upper elite. The upper 1% in the United States have taken advantage of more than $22 trillion in tax cuts since the 1970's under Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush II. Now the country owes more than it's net worth...we're bankrupt and the upper class levels whine about having to pay their fair share!

Ironically (because I consider myself more of a populist) Obama appears to be perhaps the most "for the people" and genuine real deal ever in the history of the party or candidates and ohhh how this pisses off the establishment.

Excellent post. Thanks.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 06:07 PM by mike dangerously

reply to post by skyshow

Nice,post skyshow!

I wolud love to see a true movement be born here in the US we have heard the rumbelings from people like,Ron Paul,RATM,Alex Jones,Henry Rollins and last but not least Jesse Ventura I think the time is right for a revolution!

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 06:11 PM by skyshow

reply to post by LLoyd45

yes I hold a master's degree, and I have worked in social work field and I have to tell you (as most of you republican types do nothing but constantly put people down in this field and call social worker types pinko commies) I have never not once ever met anyone who does this type of work who shares your belief system. But whatever, there's always a piece of fruit somewhere that falls off of the tree with a worm in it.

So you dedicated your life towards helping those in need, and building up communities in need, and know all about domestic violence, poverty, hunger, substance abuse, chronic mental disorders such as depression, anxiety, delusional thinking etc...and inner city strife that goes along with victims of racism and discrimination, severely under funded school and neighborhood programs, poorly funded community centers and outreach programs, the need for more homeless shelters and programs to get people off of the streets and into warm homes with food to eat. You know all about foster homes and child protection measures... Because this is what it's about...people who dedicate their lives to this stuff don't defend people like Rudi Giuliani and Sarah Palin who insult the people who help the poor and the poor who need the help.

Give me a break. Folks on here who have actually worked in this field and / or who have accomplished a graduate degree understand fundamentally what goes into all of this...perhaps you could comment on your research and tell us a bit about the volunteer work and career in social work you say you have done while you defend your position of support for one who is against community organizing. This I gotta see!

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 06:28 PM by jefwane

Ask most any Independent not that interested in partisan politics type person outside the innercity what names pop to mind as "community organizers" and if they can think of any names at all, they are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. I think tying those two around Obama is brilliant even if a little bit shady and racial politics.

Someone looking for a handout in rough times really doesn't care what an outsider's reasons for being there as long as they see a potential reward. In rural areas an outsider with a degree from a fancy institution doing the "organizer" work is viewed with skepticism at best and a "carpet bagger" at worse. Going after Obama's record as an organizer probably wont cost them a single vote in the heartland, and in the minds of the heartland when he defends his performance as such probably ties him closer to the hard left than he would like us to think he is.

I'm personally glad that the firebrands on both sides have said "screw it" sharpened the knives and jumped in the mud. It would be nowhere near as fun otherwise.

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:04 PM by schrodingers dog

Perhaps someone other than the OP also cares about others:

Angry community organizers defended their work, and that of former organizer Barack Obama, as they fought back Thursday against a series of insulting remarks by speakers at the Republican National Convention.

Organizers described themselves as the antidote to big-money lobbyists who wield so much influence. They talked about helping powerless people join forces to demand better schools and safer streets, often by working through churches.

"If people in office were doing their jobs, perhaps we wouldn't need community organizers," said John Baumann, executive director of PICO National Network, whose name derives from "people improving communities through organizing."

"I don't like seeing the really hard work that goes on in really poor communities being demeaned by cheap politicians," said Joshua Hoyt, executive director of the Illinois Coalition for Immigrant and Refugee Rights. "Community organizing is as American as democracy. It believes that ordinary people can do extraordinary things."

newsday/ap

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:17 PM by euclid

Originally posted by mental modulator
reply to post by cognoscente

HERE HERE the pompous Giuliani was a vile and UNAMERICAN spectacle if I have ever seen one.

The hypocrisy of that man is criminal.

Un-American? Obama is the anti-USA candidate, he has no experience, hasn't authored any legislation, yells at the citizens.

This is enough reason to see he has NO EXPERIENCE - -ONLY AN IDIOT YELLS CONDESCENDINGLY AT HIS POTENTIAL VOTERS:

YouTube Link

See the video: this is about as UNAMERICAN AS SOMEONE CAN GET (and quite possibly the worst rendition of the National Anthem I've ever heard)

YouTube Link

-Euclid

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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:27 PM by euclid

Originally posted by skyshow
reply to post by LLoyd45

yes I hold a master's degree, and I have worked in social work field and I have to tell you (as most of you republican types do nothing but constantly put people down in this field and call social worker types pinko commies) I have never not once ever met anyone who does this type of work who shares your belief system. But whatever, there's always a piece of fruit somewhere that falls off of the tree with a worm in it.

Community builders?

The reason the republicans call you "types" pinko commies is because you are. Socialism is communism in form and function but exists within a democratic framework..... socialism is a transitory state from democracy to communism. Therefore socialism/progressive/liberal = communism = tyranny.

I'm Constitution Party and we can't stand you pinkos any more than the republicans.

Why don't you, and all the other commies, go live in China and get a nice dose of communism and see how well you like the government controlling every aspect of your life.

-Euclid

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:29 PM by MemoryShock

A reminder to remain on topic.

This thread is for civil discussion on the topic "Palin owes the American people an apology!"

Thank you.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:31 PM by Blaine91555

Originally posted by skyshow

Yeah, he took nastiness and negativity to a new level...heavy on the personality assassination and light on the issues.

You see this as worse than the personal attack on her children and family? Is this worse than the accusation her child is her daughters child fathered by her husband or son?

Both sides are screwed up beyond reason. Both sides are made up of people willing to tell any lie and completely blind to the fact they are just as bad as the other side.

I'm to the point that partisans from both sides make me want to vomit. There is not a doubt in my mind Obama is in Soros hip pocket, just like Palin is following orders.

I have never seen anything as low as the accusations about Palin's child ever in my life and my memory goes back to Kennedy. We are turning the whole country into a daytime soap opera and I'm ashamed of the crap I'm reading from both sides. Democrats and Republicans have traded their souls to the devil just to win at all costs.

People will now get the President they deserve.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:43 PM by schrodingers dog

How it has come to be an insult to accuse someone of helping their community is beyond belief. This notion happened last right right before our eyes and it has been defended on this thread all day. Helping your fellow man is apparently a scarlet letter on everyone involved. We should all be proud, it's not often that one can witness such moral capitulation of a nation in actual progress. We can all say we were here when we let it happen. Except for the OP, skyshow actually spotted it and tried to tell us.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:50 PM by jamie83

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
How it has come to be an insult to accuse someone of helping their community is beyond belief. This notion happened last right right before our eyes and it has been defended on this thread all day. Helping your fellow man is apparently a scarlet letter on everyone involved. We should all be proud, it's not often that one can witness such moral capitulation of a nation in actual progress. We can all say we were here when we let it happen. Except for the OP, skyshow actually spotted it and tried to tell us.

I agree to a certain extent. I thought Guliani's comment was totally out of line.

However, keep in mind the context. For a week Palin has been ridiculed as not having the experience needed to be POTUS. Palin's comment was in response to this criticism. She pointed out that she was like a community organizer except with responsibilities.

I think her comment wasn't an insult to community organizers, but just throwing the criticisms she's taken back at Obama. Remember, it was the Obama campaign that repeatedly characterized Palin as a mayor of a small town and ignored her position as Governor.

reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 07:51 PM by schrodingers dog

reply to post by jamie83

Jamie please, I don't even care about Palin or Obama right now.
Just call it wrong, no qualifiers, let's move on.
At least that's what I'm doing.