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Think Your not being watched over the Internet?

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posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 12:02 AM
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My good friend is in the IT field and like most people are concerned about being monitored over the internet. Post 9/11 there have been laws that have been passed through Presidential Executive Orders that now make it "legal" to spy on every activity that you do online! I've been aware of government monitoring on the internet way before it was ever "legal". Concerned about your privacy from big brother?

View whole article >> Here

Your privacy online is a thing of the past. I’ve come up with a theory that could potentially already be in use by government agencies. It could be used today considering the government can now officially get away with it.




Choosing Targets What makes an endpoint “suspect”? They can be identified via the blacklist method, wherein known “bad” sites are flagged and all traffic to/from them is analyzed. A way to supplement this blacklist is using a whitelist, where a database of all known sites is built up over time, and any new sites that aren’t in the database are automatically flagged for analysis. For ISP users, I could take this a step further and say that if the goverment gets access to ISPs, we can switch the term “endpoint” with “user”, meaning a dynamic IP can’t hide them.


Known Passwords Supposing it takes awhile to brute force passwords for users, it would be quite convenient to keep a database on all their known passwords. This database can be built up either by passively sniffing traffic for passwords and saving past decrypted passwords. These passwords (and combinations+permutations of them) will be used first in brute force attacks, greatly increasing a chance of a hit.


Conclusion Even with an elaborate setup such as this, one can argue that if they have nothing to hide, then privacy shouldn’t be a concern. Even if you don’t have anything to hide, would you still feel a bit nervous if a stranger was standing outside your house listening in on your conversations? After all, as long as the conversations don’t have anything you wouldn’t mind him hearing, what harm could be done? We know he’d never misuse or abuse that information he collects either… Right?


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posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 12:07 AM
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Let them look!!! What are they gona do, come to your house and wisk you away for speaking your mind? They will have to do that to thousands of us! I hope they are monitoring this site! I believe it will scare the hell out of them!! Just my opinion



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by PammyK
Let them look!!! What are they gona do, come to your house and wisk you away for speaking your mind? They will have to do that to thousands of us! I hope they are monitoring this site! I believe it will scare the hell out of them!! Just my opinion


Yea it's doubtful that someone is kidnapped and taken away in a black unmarked van. But I've heard of even more crazy things happening this day in age.



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 12:16 AM
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Well I hope they know that in this age of internet communication that people are "intune" with each other. It is a wonderful thing, sites like these. We are united more than ever in history. They should fear "We the people" now.



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 12:48 AM
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We are no where near as organized and united as those watching us.

They monitor everything and data bank everything. Why? Well in my opinion, if I had the resources and man power to do such I would. I would ensure my power and position of it by monitoring all potential threats domestic and abroad.
Also with all the amassed information you'll learn human behavior traits, personal habits, predictabilities, associations, levels of threats to their system and such.

Knowledge is power. Suppressing Knowledge is power over the suppressed.

They are highly trained and educated in their respective fields. Protected by highly trained military elites. The control and manipulate everything that has a chance to influence peoples minds and perspectives.

They are prepared to murder for it, blacklist potential threats, surveillance and address anything to oppose their power. I imagine they have means of #ing us around we wouldn't even notice it, or think it was them.

Until we can organize ourselves in a similar fashion with a different mindset of say...Un-suppressing knowledge, un-suppressing technologies and medicines, un-suppressing energy sources....un-suppressing patents that would further benefit humanity as a whole and bring harmony amongst our species.

They will continue to dominate because they built the world we lived in.....
and they used as all as the tools..

Who likes being a Tool?

Peace and Harmony for all life.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by GodshipForAll]

[edit on 4-9-2008 by GodshipForAll]



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Thanks for your response GodshipForAll. This program of monitoring is the public face for something they have been doing since the internet has been around. But this day in age government monitoring is leaps and bounds, light years away anything they had in the early 80s.

The U.S. government has had its hand out telecommunications system since its been in place. Just consider anything you do online potentially being watched by big brother.

Just another example of the run away police state this nation has become.



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by PammyK
Well I hope they know that in this age of internet communication that people are "intune" with each other. It is a wonderful thing, sites like these. We are united more than ever in history. They should fear "We the people" now.


That is true. People are forming alliances based on their beliefs through the net big time. That is probably one of the biggest reasons they are watching people. If there ever is an "uprising", it will more then likely be internet based if nothing else. Good post!!



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 05:50 PM
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This is an example of e-mails used against a law abiding US citizen.
www.horsegazette.com...



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 08:54 PM
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This is nothing new. Carnivore and other systems like it have been around as long as there have been electronic communications. The technology behind it is far ahead of commercially available stuff, but it all trickles down over time. I've been out of Gov IT for a few years now and am just now seeing the 'familiar' hardware and technology coming out in public.
All internet communications can be or are archived, or at minimum the data being passed is filtered for certain content. Do some Google searches on particular things or combinations of words and you will draw attention to yourself.
If you have nothing to hide, then why care? Commercial ventures invade your privacy more than the Gov't will. They sell your demographics to each other, they spy on you using your own computer. Fear the marketing companies instead.
All the talk about 'oppression' etc is laughable. You're free to work where and when you want, enjoy hobbies, believe what you want and have a family. Start enjoying yourself instead of worrying about all these whack conspiracies.



posted on Sep, 4 2008 @ 09:03 PM
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No. I am not being watched. My posts are boring, and that which I expose to the scrutiny of the internet world is transparent.

"Rut-roh...... agent Foxtrot Sierra ..... I've detected a whackamole inhabiting a teensy rock island in the Caribbean that has subversive ideas."

"Ping him twice for upload speed. Check his cookies for porn and other quirks that we might leverage against him. If he's logged onto anti-American sites, note that in the logs. Proceed with surveillance, using the Timberland protocols."

"Roger that. We've noted already that he consistently spells "Caribbean" and "fuschia" properly. That's a certain red flag. Tango Charlie out."



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 05:37 AM
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Their system is destined to fail..........time will tell I suppose.......But from the majority of people I know the average citizens are aware and when push comes to shove and the last straw is broken.......we know who to hold accountable and there system will crumble or we die or worst yet enslaved.

They're pushin us to the breaking point with such clandestine operations, their lies and agendas.



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 05:58 AM
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What is with all this hype?

Why would they even bother with you if you weren't doing something "wrong" in the first place????

I mean, if you were innocently wandering around the internet, you wouldn't be worrying if your door was going too be kicked in by agents.

OK, if it's not that of which your worried about, what else are you doing online?

Banking? Paying bills? Passwords? .... What else do they need too know about you? They have all the information already....

Deal with it.

Not having a go at you or anyone in that regard, but as soon as your born your tracked by a trail of information.


Cheers, Fox.


EDIT: Edited an edit problem




[edit on 5/9/08 by fox_3000au]

[edit on 5/9/08 by fox_3000au]

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posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 06:33 AM
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Gads!

I know they watch me, because whenever I try to play out WW3 on my customized mod of Civ 4... They make my machine lock up after the 33rd hour of play...

Thats how I know it's them because they always crash it on a masonic Number!

and it stinks because I play for 33 hrs and then..finally when all the civilizations have the right number of nuclear weapons and the global warming meter is just almost to the tipping point and all the right cities are filled with religous fanatics...


Bam I get cut off before I can start playing war causing scenarios...

Yesterday they got me... right as I moved the 13th us ship into the Black Sea...

Damn Spies...

They will never let me know what happens...



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 07:25 AM
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Sounds more like a software bug to me.. (Perhaps a masonic virus) or maybe those spies just wont let ya dominate that game. You might get a big head and want to take over the world. Certainly a threat to national security I'd say.

While I certainly believe the spooks mine alot of data, but think about what a huge it would be to determine what criteria they might consider to be a real threat. Of all of the data is analyzed by their software, probably some fraction of a 1 percent would be seen by an agent, and probably some fraction of those would perhaps illicit a response.

I would be interest to know how *they* might go about re-routing all that IP traffic to a central point.. Must be a alot of bandwidth required for that sort of operation. I might be naive but anyone could war-drive a wifi hotspot, transmit national secrets, threaten the president or whatever... and then drive away. How could they catch em? The best they could do, it track the threat to an IP, which probably isn't enough.



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by KaginD
That is true. People are forming alliances based on their beliefs through the net big time. That is probably one of the biggest reasons they are watching people. If there ever is an "uprising", it will more then likely be internet based if nothing else. Good post!!


Good poin t but i think they are catelogging people, more than the fear of uprising. They must have so much info, on everyone know.



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 07:34 AM
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I'm not a big conspiratorial guy. I believe there are some funny things going on and other stuff is just stupid. I have even had my mind changed on a thing or two from decent and valid lines of thoughts that made me rethink some stuff.

There is absolutely no privacy with the internet regardless of what anyone thinks. The US government is just the latest player to get involved with snagging all traffic and running it though filters. Private companies were doing it on smaller scales before, but now; several players mine everything posted or sent over the net.

Forget the argument about nothing to be worried about because I am doing nothing wrong, or even my postings is vanilla in the flavors of internet postings. People miss the point. In the US, we are innocent until proven guilty. This really is a warrantless search looking for incriminating evidence for anything that can remotely be used to start building a case against you. You have forfeited your basic Constitutionally guaranteed rights in the name of national security. You don't even know it.

What really makes this a worrisome issue is the private companies involved and what they are doing with the data. The Federal government is still bound by the court system and certain laws that can be enforced or used against them. Private industry has a built in immunity on some of these issues and taking some of these companies to court is harder than suing the government.



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 07:35 AM
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You think the internet is infringing on your privacy?


How many of you out here have a cell phone?

Enough said.

Cheers!!!



posted on Sep, 5 2008 @ 07:17 PM
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Ahahaha

now thats funny
Ummm I told my friend once I went to FBI site and she was like. don't go there dude!! I laughed so freaking much. Like they say they can do nothing about it. I think they like it better than protests in streets, besides if them monitoring every website on the web man they are super heroes wow .. sarcasm of course
you know every now and then the terrorists post letters to TV channels and everyone knows about it, why didn't they track them and get them? Umm probably because who made up this story is used that his Mommy scares him out by telling him "if you go to the backyard the wolf would get you" Thats what they are using here. enough of lies



posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 07:46 PM
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Not lies.

This is an example of e-mails used against a law abiding US citizen.
www.horsegazette.com...


the ACLU believed the whole story 'stunk of censorship' and did not buy the State Dept of Ag's excuse. They then had conversations with the expo organizers and a very interesting story emerged in where even names were named from my State Dept of Ag. They informed the expo organizers that I had been at a huge Farm Expo last August (Untrue as I working). They claimed that I harassed people, was rude and obnoxious and had even caused a riot to break out over NAIS! They also stated that they were 'in fear of being on the same grounds' as me for fear that I would cause another riot. Of course the expo organizers made the decision to ban me. Who wouldn't after hearing such a story from a govt agency? My first reaction was to laugh over this absolutely ridiculous 'story' then I really got angry. I was NOT at said Farm Expo but I did know people who attended. NO riot broke out!

My State Dept of Ag also provided the expo organizers with numerous e-mails that I had written about NAIS - going back an entire year. I saw these e-mails from our State Dept of Ag with my own eyes. It was then that I realized they are actually tracking me on the internet! .

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



posted on Sep, 10 2008 @ 08:14 PM
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YEA.. those that don't think it's wrong to let the TPTB snoop around a little.. then I have this to say..

Mind I go rifftle through you snail mail EVERY day.. you know.. because you have nothing to hide.. which i'm sure you don't .. but.. no matter.. i'll be there quick as a wink to open up your daily snail mail.. k??

how would you feel about this ??



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