This system is installed on a few other cars I know and just about everyone wants one. Who doesn't?! I mean...its hydrogen on demand!

Get some water and stick some electricity in it...whada ya get?!

Hydrogen Hydrogen Oxygen. HHO

Me and my neighbor built one for his truck (which is a diesel grease burner) using a water filter/electrode and flash-back filter. It produces hydrogen just fine, but failed to give us appreciable boost in mileage.. I am a little suspect of these devices because they get really hot. (I mean danger hot) Just my experience FWIW.

Wow.. you say 500,000 litres of HHO per hour?? I dont believe we are getting anywhere near that volume. How did you manage that?

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Starred and flagged.

Free energy is the cornerstone of democracy in a capatilist system, because without energy independence populations lend themselves, or rather borrow themselves, to enslavement. With energy independence local economies, even if they are only bartar, are much stronger because the amount of doable enterprises is exponentially higher, as is productivity. The elites that control the energy embargo know this. And now everyone else does to.

My cosmological view, at the moment, is that we are a material universe that comes from energy, thus I reject the premisse of classical physics that energy comes from interactions between matter, it's more the other way around. Interactions between matter show the energy that already is there in the first place, they wrinkle, for lack of a better word, the energy substrata of reality.

The above, imho, is why classic doctrine and establishment education should never be taken as 100% accurate and why belief systems should not impede experimentation.

History teaches us that the mavericks, the out of the box thinkers, the garage engineers, the visionary geniuses and even the children of this world are the real responsible parties for the lion's share of technological evolution. It is a sad state of affairs that we have let ourselves fall into that bureaucrats and economic parasites tie down technological advancement through that most unequitable of mechanisms that is patent law. Information wants to be free...

Now directly on thread: I do think this technology works. Jack Nicholson sponsored a full hydrogen car back in the 70's, it's on youtube. And HHO should be even more energy intense than hydrogen derived from water, because it has the added volume of combustable oxygen. Hydrogen as a concept has been proven. HHO is strangely absent from the mass market. This could be for one of two reasons...

1) It's dosen't work or works but is not pratical.

2) It's just too good.

My vote is on number 2, because what I think is happening is an elite few know that this technology, retrofitted to a normal combustion engine, would destroy the energy monopolies in a few months. Sure, it would crash the world economy, but who cares? The energy economy that would come out of this hypothesis would be far more advantageos, and territorial conflicts for energy resources would cease, making the world a more peacefull place. That's my thought on this tech, it's out there, but it's revolutionary potential is just to great for mainstream to touch it. So it has to be the small guys, in every greater numbers, that pull it off.

One last word: modern combustion engines employ a vasteness of electronics to increase power or efficiency. However, they don't lend themselves well to modification of combustion paramaters, it's a highly technical endeavour and requires password validation and all that jazz. For people trying this stuff out, I would advise older cars with simpler mechanics. Who cares if you end up with only 10 miles per gallon... of water? Over time the technology should become mainstream, if people don't bow down to cultural and even socioeconomical and political, pressure.

Getting these sort of technologies out is vital, as the mainstream won't do it for us. Take the Honda FCX clarity, it's a full hydrogen car that had a concept with it's own solar hydrogen generator... fuel from water and sunlight. What's Honda's next move? They make a "prius fighter" concept with the same aesthetics, dumping the good stuff for a crappy gasoline hybrid, which can't get better mileage than an ecodiesel car, of which there are millions in europe.

Don't wait for mainstream folks, if you have the will, there will be a way.

critics and skeptics claim that the "energy required or the energy put in is less than the energy received or put out". Although I vehemently deny this

It sounds interesting, but when you start denying universal laws (Conservation of mass and energy) offhand, I get a little suspicious.

Fortunately no laws are broken. The energy put in is used to unlock the enormous energy held within water; namely hydrogen.

What we are doing is manipulating the input energy in a vast number of ways in order to break or separate these bonds. Water molecule bonds do not have a strict/firm energy separation requirement whatsoever. The process can be manipulated in a large number of ways.

this reminds me of the "how to" videos that involve spreading peanut butter all over an opened cell phone.

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
Fortunately no laws are broken. The energy put in is used to unlock the enormous energy held within water; namely hydrogen.

What we are doing is manipulating the input energy in a vast number of ways in order to break or separate these bonds. Water molecule bonds do not have a strict/firm energy separation requirement whatsoever. The process can be manipulated in a large number of ways.

Except that is completely the wrong way round. Water is at a lower energy state than hydrogen - in fact you could could say that water is to hydrogen what ash is to wood.

To separate hydrogen from water you need to ADD energy - exactly what you do with electrolysis.

You quoted the correct part. There isn't any other way around it.

Water can be considered compressed hydrogen. Low amounts of energy is applied to attain large amounts of energy from hydrogen.

Conventional electrolysis assumes energy input is irrelevant. As if to say, it doesn't matter how it's done, you can only get *this much hydrogen if you put *this much energy in.

So, this is false for the reason in the earlier mentioned quote.

yeah these are great, build it right though the first time!!

I waisted litereally 200+ on tries when i had no idea what i was doing.

stainless steel only, make sure you use safety pressure release valves and wire it to both the windshield wipers and a custom switch. Equip with sensors and your set.

Originally posted by mastermind77
yeah these are great, build it right though the first time!!

I waisted litereally 200+ on tries when i had no idea what i was doing.

stainless steel only, make sure you use safety pressure release valves and wire it to both the windshield wipers and a custom switch. Equip with sensors and your set.

You're right. At this point the instructions and step-by-step walkthrus available now definitely help with finding a good design and eliminating the guess work out of everything. Cut trial and errors down endlessly by finding a good online source.

Obviously a good source wants no money and only want to show and share the information with you (like I do).

I was wondering if anyone got a chance to see the dateline special that was on this past Sunday?

It was even worse then I predicted for just a few simple reasons. One, they made the technology appear to be complicated and beyond the average person's understanding. And two, they go and put money amounts in the thousands of dollars for; buying the "unit" and then thousands more for "installing". There, right there ladies and gentlemen, are two laughable, discrediting points.

I'm sorry, but if you just wanna go and "pay" for it, as in, "I don't care how it works, I just want it to work", then my friend, you nearly deserve to get taken because of your lack of interest in this very important suppression.

Bottom line is this is very cheap to make. It is very cheap and easy to install. Where's the scam? The time you took to learn about it? Fair enough. It does time a time commitment in the hundreds of hours. Oh well. Maybe this isn't for you then. Maybe you just need to meet someone like me who only charges your attention span and time over a single afternoon to put it in your car. That, and your promise to talk about what I showed you.