"Drill Baby Drill" Noun+Verb=GOP EnergyPolicy(let's all chant)

Democrats SUPPORT DRILLING FOR OIL and the GOP BLOCK IT!!!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So Neocons, SHUT UP ABOUT DRILLING! You stopped the drilling. The Democrats SUPPORTED THE DRILLING OF A LOW ESTIMATE OF 100BILLION BARRELS OF OIL AND THE REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT!

So, if anything else, go away. You're wrong, as always.

drilling for oil is played out....

Mother Earth needs that oil to cushion the techtonic plates......

the government/military industrial complex needs to release the free energy technology ASAP

we need NESARA



much love to you all

Originally posted by feydrautha

Originally posted by Rook1545

How on earth is this a matter of national security? I just can't see how not drilling threatens the US in any way, shape, or form. That is like saying if we don't make more Twinkies, then babies will be born with 3 arms.

our country operates on energy, we depend on it to exist

if that energy is controlled by unpredictable forces outside of our control, then that is a fundamental security risk, we can be brought to a halt... our economy, our emergency services, everything.

see? that is what a direct connection looks like, now as for twinkies and babies?

typical leftie... as clueless and logic free as ever

Come on there is no security issue - as long as our money is good we will be able to buy oil. Do you really think we are capable of pissing off enough sources of Oil that the largest consumer nearly (25%) of oil is going to be blackballed reducing demand and lowering prices for the producers worldwide.

Europe, Japan, China, they are all dependent on Foreign oil - are any of those countries invading the middle east to secure oil? No they are working on moving as fast as possible to alternate forms of energy.

This is the only intelligent thing to do seeing as how there are many promising technologies available now and many better ones available in the next few years, and developing new forms of technology has tremendous potential to grow a countries economy.

The problem is we have oil companies and Defense contractors controlling our government and they much prefer our current empire building strategy. Don't fall for their propaganda - it is just an excuse to try and retain support for their unjust wars.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Adult human beings chanting "drill baby drill" during R. Guliani's speech.

So this is what it's come down to, singing for drilling, your energy policy with a chorus.

Un-freaking believable.

When it will do nothing to curb prices, long term short term any term.
I know I know you want sources, they're everywhere on ATS and I will post them with nice new ones.

I'm awaiting:

"Kill baby kill"
"Steal baby steal"

Republican rhymes about drilling + "USA USA USA" = outstanding.

By the way are we getting desks or what?

[edit on 9/3/2008 by schrodingers dog]

Oh, so I assume everyone chanting "Obama, Obama, Obama" is not quite as "un-freaking believable" as someone chanting for Energy Independence, and for the Nation in which they live, and believe in. Wow, absolutely amazing, I truly hope that you are not an American, as you seem to take such shame in chanting "USA, USA, USA", while praising a mortal icon seems to be alright in your perspective.

Are you guys for real?

You're screaming "drill baby drill" cause no had the presence of mind to make a phone call to let you know:

Amid bluster over energy, Senate cuts a deal
GOP gets some drilling, nuclear, Democrats get wind, solar incentives

The proposal contains some items on the Republican wish list, such as opening areas of the Outer Continental Shelf to drilling and boosting nuclear power. The Democrats get incentives for wind, solar, and other renewables along with energy efficiency measures — and pay for much of the projected $84 billion cost by eliminating tax breaks on the oil and gas industry
msnbc

While you're chanting!

And let's not forget the hardhats, and the blue vests!

Stop it, I'm gonna loose my dinner.

"drill baby drill", what? we are? Oh good!




[edit on 9/4/2008 by schrodingers dog]

^ Well you still avoided my question, but since you wish to switch focus....


If you have any imaginative ideas that somehow this proposal will make any difference without an executive sign-off, then you are sorely mistaken. It has not even passed Pelosi's Congress as of yet.

Also, the lift of this Drilling Ban ONLY allows Virginia, Georgia, South Carolina, and North Carolina the OPPORTUNITY to opt into leasing programs beginning at 50 Miles out (and Limited Florida Gulf drilling) then possibly pass it through their own State Legislator, then Governors. It does not expand the drilling however beyond what is already designated. In other words, there will not be much Exploration. ALSO, it does not allow for West Coast Drilling (Goodbye Alaska, which contains a vast amount of crude), nor for Drilling in ANWR. Alaska is currently building a pipeline to the Lower 48, but it will obviously become fruitless without more drilling opportunities. The Colorado shale still remains off limits too.

This "Compromise" also increases the taxes for Oil Companies. How do you think they will compensate for this? Yes, raise the prices.

McCain and those within his Party knew of these plans even as recently as August 10th, 2008, so YES, people are already aware of it. It is nothing more than a rushed Democrat Proposal designed to throw a wrench into McCain's campaign for United States President. Fat chance that it will do anything in actuality beyond making a statement, and a nice piece of legislation to frame on someones wall.

Originally posted by Krieger
Democrats SUPPORT DRILLING FOR OIL and the GOP BLOCK IT!!!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So Neocons, SHUT UP ABOUT DRILLING! You stopped the drilling. The Democrats SUPPORTED THE DRILLING OF A LOW ESTIMATE OF 100BILLION BARRELS OF OIL AND THE REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT!

So, if anything else, go away. You're wrong, as always.

It is quite hilarious, one minute everyone is screaming about how the "Neocons" are in bed with Big Oil, then the next minute they claim the "Neocons" blocked more drilling. Well, which is it?

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen
If you have any imaginative ideas that somehow this proposal will make any difference without an executive sign-off, then you are sorely mistaken.

I'm sorry, I honestly didn't mean to sidetrack my own thread. In fact I didn't really, the humor of the moment overtook me and brought us back to the original topic.

And you are correct in what you are saying, I indeed do not hold such "imaginative" ideas.

In fact, if you look over the last few pages, we were banging heads to no avail on this topic. I honestly have no further information or opinion to offer without repeating myself and no one wants that.



Edit to add: Also I would like to apologize for my extravagant and excessive use of smileys. I should know better than that. Terrible job, really.





[edit on 9/5/2008 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Oh while we chanted "drill baby drill" this happened:

Amid bluster over energy, Senate cuts a deal
GOP gets some drilling, nuclear, Democrats get wind, solar incentives

The proposal contains some items on the Republican wish list, such as opening areas of the Outer Continental Shelf to drilling and boosting nuclear power. The Democrats get incentives for wind, solar, and other renewables along with energy efficiency measures — and pay for much of the projected $84 billion cost by eliminating tax breaks on the oil and gas industry

So this proposal in effect slaps an $84 billion tax increase on the oilcos.

Guess who is going to end up paying for that? Hint: it ain't the oilcos.

This is what Dems fail to understand about their "tax the rich" philosophy - it's the little guy who gets the shaft in the end.

reply to post by jsobecky


First of all, why do you have to be such a wet noodle about everything?

Second, Democrats and Republicans agreed this compromise, so why you blame the Democrats only? Other than through sheer habit.

Third, this is what legislators are elected to do, so why is it surprising?

You got some drilling out of it, isn't that what you chanting about?

reply to post by schrodingers dog

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by jsobecky

 

First of all, why do you have to be such a wet noodle about everything?

Sorry if I don't subscribe to your "The facts, though interesting, are irrelevant" philosophy.

What did I say that was untrue?

A tax increase on the oilcos will be passed onto the end consumer. Fact.

This is a piss-poor bandaid that does absolutely nothing to better the situation, and in effect worsens it. It once again employs the failed socialistic policies that ignore reality.

Chasing your tail may seem like you're accomplishing something, but it is actually only wasted energy.

reply to post by jsobecky


I believe the solution would be

addressing oil speculation first...

Nothing can be accomplished if our prices hinge on the will of entities and money
who hold no allegiance to our great nation.

Our flag should represent what the flag is symbolic of Millions of people.

Our will being should be fully represented first and fore most. At the same
time business should be considered for the simple fact that it supplies our country
will a precious resource and stimulus.

I frankly do not understand how this whole situation can no be address in a muti facet
manor that proceeds with planing and broad vision.

1. address speculation- do it soon and do it right

2. fully fund both drilling and "GREEN" energies.

The jobs created will provide stimulus. In both industries.

Technology will be created in both industries this will provide revenue, jobs and a
first rate spot in these advancements of the future.

If we live in a free market let the fossil fuels and green solutions compete, this would ensure lower prices and jobs will be an added benefit.

The thought of oil will likely effect the market in the short in + way. Even though it would take a while to bring to market we can still start now.

On the other front the tech, commodities and labor front can also start influencing
the OIL pricing through competitive survival.

Taking a black and white stance on one option or the other would be disastrous.
THE ramifications would be IMPACTFUL in different ways for both the drill and the green option. Or rather the nodrill nogreen options...

NOT drilling would invite being blindsided down the line. Not drilling would not help stimulate the economy and not help address pricing issues - in the short term

NOT greening would invite being blindsided down the line. Not GREENING would not help stimulate the economy and not help address pricing issues.

In the long run not greening would be disastrous because it would put us in a subservient position to the countries that invested heavily and rewarded accordingly.
I believe the USA should be at the very forefront of the technological future as it always has.

THIS is not rocket science, this is the struggle of the old guard and the new kid on the block.

The government and the people should not assassinate either approach prematurely.

Let them both flourish and grow - ultimately let the free market
run its corse and work for us.

THANKS MY SAY.

reply to post by mental modulator


I agree with your general sentiments, mm. Drilling itself is not the total answer. All options should be supported and encouraged. But we need to start today.

What do you think of nuclear? Clean coal?

Tidal power is vastly untapped. Hydrogen fuel has promise, but much work remains, including building the infrastructure (refueling stations, etc).

How would you address speculation? Keep in mind that they can and will move to the Caymans or elsewhere to escape US law.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator

 

I agree with your general sentiments, mm. Drilling itself is not the total answer. All options should be supported and encouraged. But we need to start today.

What do you think of nuclear? Clean coal?

Tidal power is vastly untapped. Hydrogen fuel has promise, but much work remains, including building the infrastructure (refueling stations, etc).

How would you address speculation? Keep in mind that they can and will move to the Caymans or elsewhere to escape US law.

I would certainly support all options.
My least favorite pick would be nuclear though because of health risks.

But I would not stamp my feet in protest.

I would prefer hydrogen. clean coal and NG on the fuels front.

and tidal, wind and solar on the physics front.

I agree about starting today and I think ALL options should be on the table.
Let the micro industries compete to drive the engine and lower prices.

The one point of contention you and I MIGHT have is one the speculation front.

I understand tax havens but I believe in this case all options should be on the table once again. As far as the specifics, I would suggest anything that would remedy the situation INCLUDING legislation or muscle.

If we can drop bombs on hostile forces then we can "drop bombs" on hostile entities.

Enough is enough and I doubt that a company pledges allegiance to anyone let alone the red ,white and blue.

IMHO



[edit on 5-9-2008 by mental modulator]

reply to post by mental modulator


One more thing to consider. Look at this angle: we want to wean ourselves off our dependence on fossil fuels, but this cannot be done overnight. And we will never be totally independent of oil, given that our entire country is built around it, and there is no magic wand on the horizon.

Drilling now will create tens of thousands of good paying jobs with all the peripheral work needed, including building additional refineries, etc. And the income saved by not sending the $700 billion out of our country can be used to provide money needed for R&D and incentives for green technologies. It will also have the effect of strengthening the dollar.

I know we both want the same things. What I don't understand is the strong opposition to drilling. The arguments about it taking 10 years for a 2 cent impact at the pump are patently false. What are the real reasons? I don't know.

Originally posted by TheAgentNineteen

Originally posted by Krieger
Democrats SUPPORT DRILLING FOR OIL and the GOP BLOCK IT!!!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So Neocons, SHUT UP ABOUT DRILLING! You stopped the drilling. The Democrats SUPPORTED THE DRILLING OF A LOW ESTIMATE OF 100BILLION BARRELS OF OIL AND THE REPUBLICANS BLOCKED IT!

So, if anything else, go away. You're wrong, as always.

It is quite hilarious, one minute everyone is screaming about how the "Neocons" are in bed with Big Oil, then the next minute they claim the "Neocons" blocked more drilling. Well, which is it?

THEY ARE! You realize that drilling for oil would LOWER OIL PRICES! And guess what Oil Companies sell? OIL! You know where the Oil they drill in Alaska goes? OVERSEAS! They drill it then sell it. Why would they want oil prices to drop?

Also, oil they drill hear costs maybe 40dollars. They then sell most of that, then some they use here. So that 4dollar a gallon gas you're buying may have come from a 40dollar a barrel oil. Not 140.

Originally posted by jsobecky
reply to post by mental modulator

 

I know we both want the same things. What I don't understand is the strong opposition to drilling. The arguments about it taking 10 years for a 2 cent impact at the pump are patently false. What are the real reasons? I don't know.

Well I am a flaming liberal and I think we are coming around to the idea.
I truly believe if there as hand to meet my ideology half way we will
be willing to get on board quick.

Unfortunately I think we all get to charged and griped with the partisan bickering.
I believe on this one issue specifically we can find a lot more common ground than not.
I understand the environmental group on my side, but I think the whole of the left
would move with or without those environmental folks on board.

The sticking point for most libs is the speculation.

And I believe the sticking point on the right is tax's.

I am fairly certain if the gov stepped in on this ONE instance ( regarding speculation) the left would be very open.

Oil profits would be less afterwards but this would make a tax break much much more palatable.

Oh and I think the 10 years argument is just a battleline. It could easily be crossed
by addressing what I have mentioned above. Just posturing - "don't sell the farm
before you buy a new one" type of thing. EASY bridge from what I have seen and heard .

Any how good night!








[edit on 5-9-2008 by mental modulator]

The energy policy has to include drilling, advanced technologies to improve fossil fuel burning (i.e. decreased emissions), alternative energy promotion, and CONSERVATION. While McCain did a much better job of promoting the alternative energy sources in his speech last night than Palin did in hers, I still didn't hear a single word on the most important point CONSERVATION.

While we can't NOT drill...we also need an administration that promotes a new "American way".

Originally posted by Skipper1975
drilling for oil is played out....

Mother Earth needs that oil to cushion the techtonic plates......

the government/military industrial complex needs to release the free energy technology ASAP

we need NESARA

much love to you all

new age rubbish

the earth was just fine looooong before oil existed, billions of years before life even appeared.

oil is relatively new, and there is no reason why we shouldnt produce our own, we have it, lets use it