YES!

This is not even apples and oranges...
The contrast is vast between the two.

In fact I would go as far as to say Palin is the ANTI HILL.

I must admit I was nervous prior her "presentation"... I thought she was going to fire off MINI Mccain golden statues at the crowd.

HOWEVER I was left thinking she is NOT ready to take over for Mc.mummy when
his younger brother comes along to reclaim his immortal soul.

How on Earth does anyone in their right minds think the the LADY I just watched
have what it takes???

CHRIST my own dear MOTHER has more presence and depth...


The glorious right has lost its gourd completely!!!

SHE is NO Hillary!

[edit on 3-9-2008 by mental modulator]

I mean honestly are Hill supporters really that... irrational? to vote against the very core foundation they set upon with Hillary?

I dont understand why else he would choose Palin, I mean all she does is further appeal to his own base, I mean whats the point?

Oh, I agree.

She's no Clinton.

One flaw that I see is you're using a known liberal media source who is making the comparison of Palin vs Clinton. In fact, the Democrats seem to be the only ones doing that. We conservatives know there's no comparison. We know Hilary has vastly more experience than Palin does. No one is debating that.

Also, I don't believe McCain's only intention for choosing Palin was because she was is a woman. He could have chosen any number of women Senators, governors, mayors for that purpose. He chose Palin for more reasons than the fact that she's female. Fact is, it's the liberal media that keeps asking the question "Who does John McCain think he is? Does he just think women will jump to his side once they see he has a female running mate?" The liberal media keeps asking that question because they are trying to stir the ire of women voters. It's a tactic the liberals are using because the truth is, they are afraid of what Palin brings to the table. I think McCain knew that once people get to know Palin and hear her on the trail they will like her, and grow to like her every day even more. That's what I believe the liberals fear, and that's what I believe the liberal media, like Huffington Post, is trying to inject.

Originally posted by sos37
Also, I don't believe McCain's only intention for choosing Palin was because she was is a woman.

By the same token, there's no way McCain would have chosen an unknown (even to him) governor of Alaska if he were a man.

It's clear that Hillary supporters aren't falling for this cheap trick. The two women couldn't be more different. Even I like Hillary compared to Palin. Hillary has paid her dues. It's a huge leap between the two.

It's an insult to women to think that McCain can use a woman to garner Hillary voters. It's the most condescending thing McCain could do to women. To think that because the only thing these two women share is gender would get him votes...

well, unless you fellas plan on having only democrats in the white house, forever and ever, amen, you will have to consider comments such as

"Hillary left 18 million cracks in the highest, hardest glass ceiling in America," she said, referring to the 18 million votes Clinton received in the primaries. "But it turns out the women of America aren't finished yet, and we can shatter that glass ceiling once and for all." - Sarah Palin

my question to you is, do you hope we never have a republican in the white house ever again? be careful what you hope for.

Originally posted by sos37
One flaw that I see is you're using a known liberal media source who is making the comparison of Palin vs Clinton.

Which one is that? I cant keep my sources neutral all the time, some are going to come from Left/right leaning sources once in a while. That being said its another thing to post a thread about muslims with sources that seem to only come from rightwing leaning muslim hating blogs and Limbaugh endorsed websites.

In fact, the Democrats seem to be the only ones doing that. We conservatives know there's no comparison. We know Hilary has vastly more experience than Palin does. No one is debating that.

Oh contrar, the whole point of choosing Mrs Palin was to gain that ever important women vote, or Hillary vote to be exact. McCain obviously didnt choose her for her life experiences... he took a gamble to flip flop over his previous core arguement and desperatly went for the women vote.

Now if McCain wanted a fresh face and gender was not the reason at all, he would have been better off with Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenti, but he decided to flip flop over experience talk and choose Palin from a state that is the same population as Louisville, who happens to be female. This is the point of this thread, the show how far apart she is from Hillary and what point was it to choose her to get the Hillary vote. Have Hill voters been voting Hillary purely for her gender? So why choose somebody who only energizes a base you already have?

Also, I don't believe McCain's only intention for choosing Palin was because she was is a woman.

what utter BS, ofcourse he did, why else would he totally flip flop over his experience talk and choose somebody nearly half experienced as Obama, I mean really now? Not to mention, her little speeches in pandering Hillary and her achievements is evident enough. McCain chose her to get the woman vote.

He could have chosen any number of women Senators, governors, mayors for that purpose. He chose Palin for more reasons than the fact that she's female.

Oh yes thats true, I mean she is governor of Alaska, she is a strong advocate in more drilling. You know you have point, this is more than just some political gender stunt, the rabbit hole goes deeper.

Fact is, it's the liberal media that keeps asking the question "Who does John McCain think he is? Does he just think women will jump to his side once they see he has a female running mate?" The liberal media keeps asking that question because they are trying to stir the ire of women voters.

The liberal media is anybody who questions the rightwing machine, the liberal media is anybody that confronts propaganda, the liberal media is anybody who questions McCain because he was a POW, or Palin, or any news state that questions the Iraq war. The logic of this "liberal media" talk is just beyond reason.

Now tell me? Why else did McCain choose Palin for gender? Your telling me Palin has nothing to do with the Hillary vote? Why would he pick somebody who merely further appeals to his already locked conservative base? I mean really now? There was Romney, Tim Palwenti etc. Tell us why?

It's a tactic the liberals are using because the truth is, they are afraid of what Palin brings to the table.

Yes this is all Iv been hearing from righties here, "palin has executive experence" "Palin has more experience" "you are afriad of Palin if you question her" "McCain will win" "mission accomplished". I mean when confronted with the facts against them, righties always close their ears and mumble these things, and yet its so vague and often inaccurate.

And what do we have to be afraid about Palin? Oh I know now, Palin might steal the Bush folk vote away from us oh im sorry, I never knew how important that voting block was to the Democratic party....

I think McCain knew that once people get to know Palin and hear her on the trail they will like her, and grow to like her every day even more.

Alot of people heard her, and the minute they did, McCain began loosing in important moderate states such as Ohio, Indiana and Iowa. People are listening to her already, and it is only the clueless conservative base that seems to be "excited" of having an extreme rightwinger, as if McCain wasnt enough?

That's what I believe the liberals fear, and that's what I believe the liberal media, like Huffington Post, is trying to inject.

Oh its the Huffington post, hey their alright, I love their posts. Yes, theres no fear, just more conservative talk, that is again vague and has no substance.

[edit on 4-9-2008 by southern_Guardian]

Originally posted by southern_Guardian
Hillary Clinton vs Palin, what’s to gain?

Palin is no Clinton?

Thank God.

Originally posted by undo
my question to you is, do you hope we never have a republican in the white house ever again?

It totally depends on the Republican. If Ron Paul was running, I would vote for him now. This isn't about being Republican. It's about the VAST difference in the politics of Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin.

Well, at least someone has gotten something right about Sarah Palin.

She is the absolute antithesis of Hillary Clinton.

Palin might be a feminist, but she's no gender feminist as Hillary is and more than that, she is in politics not because she is a woman trying to break down barriers, but because she wants to lead.

Hillary is a shill for a tired and worthless ideology of hate and retribution.

Sarah Palin is an American who seeks to serve and who also happens to be a woman.

Also, as you noted, Sarah Palin supports the Constitution of the United States. Hillary does not.

Good eye, southern_Guardian, and dare I say it?

A star for YOU!

There, that was a first for me!


[edit on 2008/9/4 by GradyPhilpott]

Actually the same way that I feel that Obama didn't chose Biden for VP I feel that McCain didn't have anything to do with the choosing of Palin.

This is all a circus, I agree with the OP, if Palin was chosen to make the Republican party more appealing to Hillary's followers they chose the wrong person when it comes to the base Hillary was promoting as a politician running for president.

I truly feel that the accomplishments to bring Palin into the board game was more of a desperate attempt to get attention away from Obama's media obsession.

The Republicans did it, they got the attention that they wanted

But is that a good thing? Well no really because we can see how things turned around and against Palin.

It seems that rather of been McCain the center stage as the candidate for president now Palin is the one that seems to be the one running for president as per media attention.

perhaps i can help to clarify some of your thoughts on the matter:

it doesn't matter what position a republican focuses on, if they hold a republican stance IN THE MAINSTREAM, you will not accept them. ron paul wasn't a republican, based on the current definition of it in the mainstream, and i don't think sarah palin is either. not so sure about mccain. there are repubs in the past who both supported and didn't support abortion. same for democrats. so you can't say she's a repub on that basis alone. what's happened is someone waaay up there, decided to divide the nation by stereotyping, clearly demarcating each side, and only allowing people who fit that precise stereotype into the vp and pres positions. we could have moderate democrats. we don't. we could have moderate repubs. we don't. as a result, if you vote democrat now, based on the mainstream interpretation, you will always vote democrat. there will never be a repub you agree with ever again. they did this on purpose.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Well, at least someone has gotten something right about Sarah Palin.

She is the absolute antithesis of Hillary Clinton.

Palin might be a feminist, but she's no gender feminist as Hillary is and more than that, she is in politics not because she is a woman trying to break down barriers, but because she wants to lead.

Hillary is a shill for a tired and worthless ideology of hate and retribution.

Sarah Palin is an American who seeks to serve and who also happens to be a woman.

Also, as you noted, Sarah Palin supports the Constitution of the United States. Hillary does not.

Good eye, southern_Guardian, and dare I say it?

A star for YOU!

There, that was a first for me!


[edit on 2008/9/4 by GradyPhilpott]

Wonderful, you a conservative who will vote McCain anyway, likes Palin. What a benefit to McCain

Whats the point of Palin? You yourself, already part of an established group in the mccain clan. Why does it matter whether you like the woman or not? the point of Palin is to gain Hill voters, not further gain approval from Bush folk who will vote McCain regardless.

Go figure.


[edit on 4-9-2008 by southern_Guardian]

My thoughts... As a disclaimer I will say that I am a fiscal conservative and an ardent Ron Paul supporter.

Mrs. Palen comes across as a real person where Hillary comes across as pure politician. I always felt comfortable with Bill, but have always felt uneasy about Hillary running the show. Call it a gut feeling.

I wouldn't give McCain or Obama my vote quite simply because I think they are both bad for the US. Their VP choices or lack there of make no difference.

However, If I were less informed, I'd prolly choose McCain due to his choice of VP.