The Evidence For Jesus' Existence Is Nothing But Hearsay, page 8


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reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:39 PM by umbracode
HISTORY, THE TEACHER OF LIFE

Bin Laden and Jesus Christ

If Bush had read "THE FABLE OF CHRIST" and in particular the chapters concerning the revolt of the gruesome and the Messianic revolution and if he had had the experience of the Greeks and the Romans who fought in Palestine against the Hebrew Nationalist Party (Essenes), he would probably have avoided attacking and bombarding the Talebans.
The systems of warfare used today by the Talebans in Afghanistan are the same which made the Essene revolutionaries unbeatable twenty centuries ago.

1) The same exploitation of the territory with its ravines, caverns and mountains which make it impregnable.
2) The same methods of combat such as ambush and sabotage against the occupying troops and terrorist actions against the civilians.
3) The same organisation of guerrilla troops subdivided according to the plan applied by Jude the Aside, son of Mattatia the Maccabean, to fight Antioch 1V, king of the Greeks.
4) The same training centres to form the fighters (Kimberth Qumran).
5) The same search, by one part or the other, for alliances which often turn out for both to be unreliable and treacherous because moved by opportunistic interests.
6) The same political and religious ideals expressed in their books (Today the "revolutionary's manual", yesterday the "Bible".
7) The same martyrs who face death in the certainty that they will be rewarded with a blissful eternal life, and many other analogies which give us the impression of reading, through the FABLE OF CHRIST, a present day chronicle.

All that changes in today's war are the names of the main characters who in reality are identical in their behaviour as those who supported the Maccabean revolt and the Messianic revolutions.
Bin Laden is only one of the many revolutionary leaders, like Jude the Aside, Simon, Gionata, Ezechia, Jude the Galilean, who fought wars in succession against Greece and Rome.
The political and religious similarity between Bin Laden and John of Gamala, descendant of the Asmonites, Messiah and Essene revolutionary leader, who was then transformed into Jesus by counterfeiters in the 2nd century, is traumatising to say the least.
The FABLE OF CHRIST, by showing the analogies between the war being fought today in Pakistan and the revolutions supported by the Essene guerrillas in Palestine, besides giving us an exact idea of today's situation, helps us to understand how the causes which gave rise to these wars are due to that hatred which drives the monotheistic religions to consider anyone who opposes their own plan for universal imperialism as an enemy.
Johannès Robyn, president of the atheist union of France.


reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 01:56 PM by hal4511
Matthew 24
Signs of the End of the Age
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"

4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[a]' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[c]

30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[d]is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[e] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 03:08 PM by AshleyD
reply to post by TruthParadox


Everything you asked I've already answered on ATS numerous times (what separates Jesus from Zeus, why do I revere the Bible but not other religious texts), etc. Then I u2u'd you the link to what you want.

And if I sound harsh with the atheists today, my apologies. I'm just sick of seeing the hatred of God and His followers around here and seeing my friends and myself called things like 'sheeple, brainwashed, blind followers, etc.' and accused of being scared, having low intelligence, using our faith as a security blanket, and basically being labeled idiots by inference. Not to mention having our faith constantly dragged through the mud and lied about and when faced with facts or when we totally debunk a skeptic's argument, it only goes from bad to worse. Sorry I'm in a mood today but I'm sick to death of the AT's and being asked a question, assuming the person is sincere, answering their questions, only to be ridiculed or insulted. It seems par for the course.

[edit on 9/4/2008 by AshleyD]


reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 03:40 PM by dariousg
reply to post by DazE777


This is the real problem. Religion has always had a history of fear. Yet they throw in the hope and love so that people will feel good too. Because too much fear leads to suicide and so on. You don't want to scare the people to death, just want to scare them until death. That way they will keep the coffers of the richest business in the world full.

Okay, just so you know where I am coming from on this I have tried to look at religioun with an open mind. When I do that, which means removing the 'blind faith', I come to a very real conclusion that the major religious bodies are indeed simply in place to control the masses.

Does the local small church participate like this? No. I'm not saying that. I have found many genuine churches throughout this country that actually work soley for the benefit of the communities that they work in. However, the ones that are larger (networked throughout the country) tend to have an agenda. If the local church has to make 'payments' (I guess they like to call these tithes or 'GOD's' 10%) to a parent church then their mission and voice is dictated. They preach what they are told to preach and they do NOT allow for challenges against THEIR interpretations of the gospel.

The Roman Catholic church is the worse offender of this of all. Well, they along with some of the more extreme Muslim branches.

What kills me is the idea that a book can preach/teach one to love the 'All Loving God that values each and every single hair on your head' and then turn around and state that 'he' (obvious male opinionism here) is a vengeful and jealous God.

Makes ZERO sense. And the thought that you have one shot. One single shot in this life to do good (according to the particular religion) or else you will go to HELL. Would an 'All Loving God' truly do this to the children 'He' so loved that he gave his 'Only Son'? How can he be his only son when we are all supposed to be his children too? I mean, there are so many contradictions in this book that controls 'BILLIONS' of lives that I can't believe more people have woken up to it.

Oh well. I believe in a God. I will admit this. I believe in the idea that one should seriously lead a life of loving they neighbor and helping friends, family and strangers whenever one can. I don't believe in needlessly killing any creature be it a human or a fly. Will I flip out if I step on an ant? No. I'm simply saying that this is what I believe a true 'All Loving God' wants of It's people.

Not the ones that constantly fear going to hell or armaggedon. Just live your life to the fullest and try to enjoy every second that you take in breath. Because if this is the only shot you have then why the hell worry about something that may or may not happen? Just live by the very nice standards that the words of 'Jesus' proclaim and treat everyone as if they were a friend or a brother/sister.


reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 04:37 PM by ignorant_ape
reply to post by lexafunk


on one level you are correct - absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

but you are utterly incorrect in your other 2 assertions - the act of faith is not evidence - please look up any definition of faith l

lastly you ask - why would people risk thier lives for a fictional caracter ?

the mere act of sacrifice for a cause or idea or peron does NOT validate that cause / idea / person

look sat the heavensgate believers - did thier suicide validate thier beliefs ?

how about the martrys of EVERY non christian religion - did thier sacrifice validate tgier belif system - think about that before answering

people have died with vauis belifs and uttering various slogans , from vive l` france to black power , to allah al akhbar - did the noble jesture make the philosphy they esposed true ?


reply posted on 4-9-2008 @ 05:14 PM by moocowman
reply to post by TruthParadox


I'm sure that event would have showm up in Pravda if it were around at the time
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