I'm coming in here very late, and have not read every comment.

My understanding, from those who have tackled the subject with some objectivity, is that there is a probability of a historical figure, maybe named Yeshua, who had a brother James, and they were political radicals of their day.

The Gospels were written sometime in the 2nd Century AD, as first hand accounts. Historical Roman records of the time, in the hands of monks, were edited and retrofitted to conform to their interpretations. Stylist analysis demonstrates the writing of Josephus have later insertions acknowledging Yeshua as venerated in his time.

The historical Yeshua was likely crucified for dissidence, the standard form of Roman execution. The structure on which this was done was more T-shaped and not a cross, by the way.

For many in the late days of the Roman Empire, an increasingly influential mystical Gnosticism evolved towards what would eventually become Christianity. A longstanding Greek concept of "Christos" or saviour, was imposed on the otherwise minor Judean provincial historical figure, imbuing him with mythical qualities and elevating his role to a Son of God sent to redirect mankind towards a religious understanding the early proto-Christians were embracing.


Mike F

Has anyone heard of revisionist history??? I am amazed at all who have posted their evidence.... you blindly accept these written "Facts" from past
Empires that have destroyed various writings and monuments of rival leaders. yet you continue to reject the Bible??? as i have stated before figures in our(USA) history.... Christopher Columbus.... men who signed the Declaration of Independence... can only be "proven" through Historical Writings.... No photos or video of Columbus stepping on the shores of the new world.... No Eye Witnesses to the signing of the Declaration of Independence...So i think all the proof in the world would not change anyones mind about Jesus or the Bible. You want to know God exists?
Then with an open mind and heart Truthfully, Honestly ask him to reveal himself to you.... if you are honest and open with yourself and God...
you will get the proof you need.... what you do with it after that....

So... if Jesus didn't exist.... then there is no God....no Devil... man is not inherently Evil..... there are no Conseqences... we can all do whatever we want to whoever we want good and bad are just Rules meant to be broken ..... without fear because there is no heaven or hell....
and when we die that's it.... everything just ends......

[edit on 27-11-2008 by iismtivu]

so... what you call what is going on in the world now if it's not kaos?
and law???? when the rich can get off and the poor are punished....

mmmm and in the Bible it states that God, Jesus and the Holy spirit are all the same person...... just like man has a Body, a soul and (spirit)mind....
so to deny that one doesn't exist... or is heresay.....

And?????? your point?

so what do you believe??? i see alot of bashing going on.......
if God and Jesus and Heaven and Hell are not the answer.... and do whatever feels good cause when we die nothing is left... fade to black is wrong..... then what else is there?

So... unless the person in question is standing in front of you... then their existence is hearsay???????

so... my grandparents are all dead...by your logic my evidence is only hearsay that they existed ...because???? photos, video historical writing i.e. birth records, letters, dr. reports etc... can all be faked/forged???

so... if in the future... if all evidence of my existence was wiped away... and my Grandparents say by the Anti Christ.... by your logic my grandparents wont exist anymore???? so... if past generations have lost or destroyed the evidence you desire to prove Jesus was real... relagate Jesus existence to hearsay?

mmmm...... so it comes down to .... choice? using my free will... to choose despite all supporting evidence or lack thereof..... to believe that
Jesus Existed??? but how can that be if free will is just a myth? and my CHOICE is really not my own.....