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Another great verse about God's love is found in Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." In this verse and in John 3:16, we find no conditions placed on God's love for us. God doesn't say, "as soon as you clean up your act, I'll love you; " nor does He say, "I'll sacrifice my Son if you promise to love Me." In fact, in Romans 5:8, we find just the opposite. God wants us to know that His love is unconditional, so He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, to die for us while we were still unlovable sinners. We didn't have to get clean, and we didn't have to make any promises to God before we could experience His love. His love for us has always existed, and because of that, He did all the giving and sacrificing long before we were even aware that we needed His love.
Originally posted by Good Wolf
reply to post by OldThinker
You missed the point by a mile.
Why did you make an unnecessary attack on that website mentioned in the anonymous post? You didn't make any commentary on it's content or any valid argument against it.
You seem to just be wasting posts.
I don't want to u2u you because you are commonsensical -you are a poor seed planter for that very reason.
Originally posted by Horus12
I cant believe people actually think the bible is historical fact.
Read what the bible is based on, where it came from and how it came to be, how much was left out from its actual conception and how many times its been edited.
Originally posted by Horus12
reply to post by papabryant
I dont believe the skeptics Iv read about it myself, it "has" been edited countless times and lots of it was left out.
Traditional Judaism and fundamentalist Christianity believe that the text was dictated by God to Moses on Mount Sinai, letter for letter (or pretty much letter for letter).
This is the old tesatament. Some people believed Moses wrote it, but then why and how could/would he write about his own death.
There is the fact that a lot of the information from these writings were left out of the old testament and then you take into consideration how many times the book itself has been edited.
Several stories are repeated, with different characters or different emphasis (called "doublets"). For instance, there are two creation stories (Gen 1 and Gen 2).
show some fact dont just try the "I know, Im qualified, trust me" crap eh
There is the fact that a lot of the information from these writings were left out of the old testament ...
Originally posted by papabryant
It HASN'T BEEN EDITED! Up until the 1940's the oldest surviving copy of the OT dated to times AFTER Christ - the Leningrad Codex. Then the Dead Sea Scrolls were found, and they predate Christianity by 200 years. And the surviving OT scrolls found in the Dead Sea collection were WORD FOR WORD what the Leningrad Codex said.