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The majority leader in Ukrainian Parliament, Yulia Timoshenko, has reported that she is under close watch by Ukrainian intelligence service, including wire-tapping of her phone calls. She did not elaborate which Ukrainian agency is spying on her, but it is believed to be Ukraine's equivalent of FBI (SBU) (which takes orders from Yuschenko). In parliament she accused the SBU of carrying out repressions by orders of the President.
It is also reported that after her party's realliance, many Ukrainian parliament members are being actively spied on. Timoshenko also received a memo from the National legal prosecutor to appear for a meeting (hearing?) on September 11. Timoshenko has accused the national prosecutor of governmental repressions.
In recent weeks Yuschenko's administration has publically accused Timoshenko of illegal political intrigues. Yuschenko has addressed this matter to Ukrainian national defense ministry, which is supposedly assisting the federal prosecutors
The bills designed to limit Yuschenko's executive power have passed in the Parliament, and will now go to Yuschenko for approval [I know - very ironic]. Yuschenko now has 15 days to either sign them into law, or veto them - sending them back to a vote in the Parliament.
When the bill was being voted on in Parliament, Yuschenko's party left the Parliament building in protest.
The bill is designed to do the following: make impeachment proceedings easier and quicker to carry out; transfer the power to assign and remove defense ministers (who control armed forces) to the Prime Minister (Timoshenko); and takes away the President's authority to give orders to the defense ministry.
New bills designed to take away most of Yuschenko's control over the national armed forces, are going to be voted on in the Parliament in the coming days. This bills virtually redesign the entire structure of Ukraine's armed forces, and would create a new agency to oversee them. The new national guard division will be largely tasked with securing vital areas guaranteeing stability and public order.
The move is in reponse to Yuschenko's recent test inspection of the defense minitry, which are seen by the Parliament as a preparation for using the armed forces to suppress opposition. The Parliament is also concerned with Yuschenko's repressive actions during the Ukraine's political crisis in the spring of 2007, when special forces under his command ceased the offices of the National Prosecutor, to prevent the Parliament from replacing the prosecutor.
SBU (FBI equivalent in Ukraine) veterans have blamed Yuschenko for creating a "police state" in Urkaine, with the SBU now taking orders from Yuschenko and repressing opposition. They have written a formal letter of complaint to the administration.
The authors of the letter blame current SBU leadership for incompetence and corruption. They say the SBU is being actively utilized to carry out repressions throughout the country. The veterans also blame the SBU for endangering the national security.
The letter demands that Yuschenko cease these operations, and has been signed by former head of the SBU and several former leaders as well as Parliament members.
SBU is currently being blamed by numerous Parliament members, including Yuschenko, of spying on them.
In August two officers of the SBU have filed for release from the agency, and have publically stated that their reasons are that the agency parttakes in spying and investigations against the opposition leaders - on direct orders of the President's administration. The officers state that Yuschenko's accusations of Timoshenko are part of a plan to discredit here, and have no legal backing.
Originally posted by all2human
Yet I disagree with the your premise that Yushchenko and Saakashvil are USA/NATO puppets.
Originally posted by all2human
and what evidence there to back this up?
Originally posted by all2human
Would you consider Medvedev a Putin Puppet?
Originally posted by maloy
Originally posted by all2human
Quote by All2human:
--And what evidence is there to back this up?
"Well of the above are pretty well known facts from widely available news - there are no theories or opinions there"
--OK,with all due respect, this doesn't actually prove these leaders are "controlled" by the USA as puppets
unless you can provide at least a link to that provides proof to back-up your claim,I'll regard this as a theory.
"Recent events have convinced nearly everyone that at least Saakashvili is a genuine puppet."
--If this is so obvious,and there is proof,Why doesn't Russia just get on with it and declare war with USA,or bring the convincing facts before the UN council, if Saakasvili is such a USA puppet,then GW Bush is an even bigger "puppet"! , yet i have heard nothing other than Saakasvili represent himself as President of Georgia, and ultimately he and Yushchenko will take the fall of/for/because of themselves,through there own decisions or lack-there-of.
Quote by All2humam:
--Would you consider Medvedev a Putin Puppet?
"Of course. But he is an "internal" puppet - where both the puppet and the puppeteer are figureheads of a single government - no foreign figures are involved. Think of it as Bush - Cheney relationship".
"Saakashvili and Yuschenko on the other hand are "external" puppets. Their strings stretch all the way to the U.S., while Medvedev and Putin share their
jurisdiction."
Maybe it is not "puppetry"we are talking about here--What is wrong with having interests in another Nation?, surely this is not a surprise, countries democratic and alike are much more interconnected than were in any other time in history,i am sure Russia regrets not being as effective as the USA/Europe is, at this, it is called Globalization, the Socialist system is on it's way out,hopefully for good , It is Georgia and Ukraine that will decide ultimately,if they want support and change,and Yes they have something big to gain here NATO membership then a EU membership,
The leaders of these countries, are the ones who should be held responsible and accountable for their own actions,it is them who ultimately decides
or not
[edit on 10-9-2008 by all2human]
Originally posted by all2human
Maybe it is not "puppetry"we are talking about here--What is wrong with having interests in another Nation?
Originally posted by all2human
Yes but bowling over a whole country (Georgia) Threatening Europe and ex-soviet states is not a great way of making your point.
Originally posted by all2human
I personally think the ABM system Proposed for NATO states is plain stupid,Russia has a right to be defensive.
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