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Originally posted by Tamahu
I was being somewhat sarcastic.
I was just saying that if they don't have a secret agenda; why are they not going on TV and into class rooms and such, to educate people about them and tell everybody that they're nothing more than a "fraternal club".
I mean, if they weren't so secret, why would they intentionally decieve even their OWN members? "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike directly states that the lower initiates are deliberately decieved into believing that they understand whats going on in the Lodge/Masonic community...
I feel somewhat disgusted that the world-wide media sought NOT to draw attention to the shooting death in New York some days back at the Masonic Lodge
That one line Pike is quoted a lot by opponents of Masonry, but is almost always taken out of context.
To begin with, even if Pike was correct, by publishing that in his book, it only shows that he, as a Masonic leader, was trying to undeceive members (since he believed the lectures were intentionally misleading).
But Pike did not have access to sources we have today, many only available after his death. The evidence suggests not that the authors of the Masonic lectures were trying deceiving everyone, but that they themselves had no knowledge of the possible esoteric interpretations of Masonic symbols, which Pike had set out to discover and communicate to the fraternity.
What happened in NY was a complete tragedy brought on by utter stupidity; however, people accidentally shoot other people every day, so, at least from that perspective, it's not a huge news story.
Originally posted by Thorfinn Skullsplitter
Am I the only one that misses FreeMason?
Originally posted by Cappa
So what you're saying is, people who don't truly know what they are teaching are allowed to enlighten/teach those of lesser stature within the Masons? Wouldn't you consider that a massive mis-step in your system?
Yes, a tragedy it was. Such a tragedy that a full functional, most deadly bullet was placed in the chamber of a gun when a blank should have been placed in its stead.
I wish I could say I felt sorry, but I don't-- the initiate in this case was shot at close range (the gun was supposedly right next to his skull when it went off), and even if it was a blank, i'm sure SOME damage would've been inflicted upon him from the firing of the damn thing.
Many in the Fraternity have called for the Grand Master of New York to resign, as he is ultimately responsible.