(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--

(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;

(ii) chemtrails;

China isn't the only place that has attempted these control strategies; several drought-plagued western U.S. states have explored cloud seeding as a way to boost winter snow pack, an important water source. Wyoming launched an $8.8 million cloud-seeding project in 2005 with this aim.

According to one source, who requested anonymity, one sample taken supposedly contained elements of JP-8 -- jet fuel -- and Ethel Dibromide (EDB), a pesticide which was banned years ago because research showed prolonged exposure caused carcinogenic effects on humans. The source also said that another reportedly contained non-specific bacterial groups, but neither of these could be confirmed independently by WorldNetDaily

Some people have respiratory problems. Others have mouth blisters. Still others are chronically tired. Many people are suffering from a combination of these illnesses, coupled with weight loss, burning mouths and noses, hoarseness, dizziness and disorientation. And they say their symptoms can last for days and even weeks.

• Mention of chemtrails in a US Government document.
  
• Possible side-effects and tests confirming illegal spraying.
  
• Known spraying done by various governments in the effort to "cloud seed"

Mr. KUCINICH introduced the following bill

the word has been dropped in Congress.

introduced a resolution in protest of the downgrading of Pluto from planetary status. My favorite findings:

"Whereas, downgrading Pluto's status will cause psychological harm to some Californians who question their place in the universe and worry about the instability of universal constants;

It's also important to note that spraying chemicals from aircraft is well known.

* Mention of chemtrails in a US Government document.
* Possible side-effects and tests confirming illegal spraying.
* Known spraying done by various governments in the effort to "cloud seed"

It seems my opponent has jumped the gun a bit on me.



Originally posted by semperfortis
Not much left in my opponents post to rebut, except for this and I only present it to show you, the readers, how it is easy to get off track in a debate.



I was merely laying the ground work for my argument. No need to get too in depth in the introduction. I wanted to dispel any idea that spraying chemicals, even hazardous ones, from planes is not unheard of. It even gets some press occasionally.

It also appears my opponent is going to try to pick apart every statement I make in regards to whether it fits into some sort of "plot". Don't let that fool you. Most bad "plots" aren't run by some cabal of men smoking cigars in a dark room. It's never that simple.

Other than that, there is not much to rebut in my opponents opening statement. He did say that we don't need to identify the "who", which is fine with me, but I will be pointing in our government's direction.

He also said:


Originally posted by semperfortis
Currently we are a world of over six billion people and one must admit that spraying six billion people with anything is a daunting task if not impossible. (Which I will gladly prove)



I am not aware of where he got the figure 6 billion, or why be believes that I am arguing that the entire world is being sprayed.

Response to Socratic Questions

Question 1: “How would you, if it was your job, design and implement a spray system capable of spraying 6 billion people?”

I am not aware of ever stating that 6 billion people are getting sprayed. I don't even know where you are getting this information. 6 billion people getting sprayed how often? Why are you trying to control the terms of my argument?

Question 2: “If you were the designer of a plot to spray chemicals on the population, how would you prevent yourself from being effected as well?”

I suppose I would start by not living in an area that was sprayed. I don't suppose that would be to hard.

Question 3: "Assuming that you actually believe in a Chem-Trail plot; following the debate topic, what is the motivation for such a plot?”

I believe, in a nut shell, population control. Any scientist will tell you that the greatest problem we face as humans right now is... ourselves. There are too many of us, and we are growing at an exponential rate.

Another just as likely reason is weapons testing. The military is no stranger to unethical means of testing and spraying our skies is a perfect way to gain knowledge of potential future weapons. It also parallels population control.

Question 4: “Who is it that you think is responsible for any plot to spray the population with chemicals?”

Why of course, it's the ever protective, ever perfect, United States government.

To the Issues

Now that I have answered my opponent's questions, I'd like to get back on track and focus on the topic. I have shown that chemtrails - the spraying of chemicals from an airplane - is possible. I have shown that it has been done in the past. Now we will examine what is being sprayed, why, and what the effects of the spraying are.

[1]
In this article, a foremost researcher of chemtrails, Clifford Carnicom, met with a friend of his in the military. This details what his informant relayed to him:



1. The operation is a joint project between the Pentagon and the pharmaceutical industry.

2. The Pentagon wishes to test biological diseases for war purposes on unsuspecting populations.

4. The bacteria and viruses are freeze-dried and then placed on fine filaments for release.

5. The metals released along with the diseases heat up from the sun, creating a perfect environment for the bacteria and viruses to thrive in the air supply.



Now, this is a second hand story from an “expert” on the subject. It is obviously not the most reliable source of information. But is the story not believable? Would it really be that hard to believe that biological weapons were tested on citizens, both for weaponry and population control?

Of course you might say, “But sub1ime, wouldn’t all of this spraying leave some sort of trail? Wouldn’t there be changes in the atmosphere?" With that, I present my second piece of evidence:

2


In a recent study published… document for the first time that air around clouds that was previously considered clear is actually filled with particles that are neither cloud droplets nor typical dry aerosols such as dust and air pollution. Worldwide, up to 60 percent of the atmosphere labeled as cloud-free in satellite observations is actually filled with this twilight zone of in-between particles, according to the study.



So to sum it up, scientists are puzzled by the finding of these new particles in the upper atmosphere that they have not noticed in the past. Did NASA, perhaps, just discover the evidence chemtrails leave behind? More evidence:

3


According to CBC Newsworld (Aug 29, 1999), 'Many in the community have reported respiratory problems and strange aches and pains. Town council heard that some believe military jets are dropping material over the town as part of a weather experiment' - after laboratory tests confirmed the presence of aluminum in rainwater falling through chemtrails over Espanola five-times higher than provincial health safety limits.

The Ministry of Defense eventually replied, 'It's not us.'


If that isn’t compelling enough:



Photographs of heavy aerial gridding over Santa Fe, New Mexico and B.C.'s Sunshine Coast also contradict official weather data showing high altitude humidity at the same times and locations to be less than one third the moisture needed for contrails to form.





In Houston, Texas, Mark Steadham conducted a 62 day survey of jet traffic over that busy hub. Using a computer program called Flight Explorer, Steadham identified commercial and military aircraft sharing the same sky. The contrails from commercial jets dissipated within 22 seconds. The plumes left behind at the same time by big military jets persisted for four to eight hours.



This details studies that have been done to differentiate normal contrails from chemtrails. I think it is important to point out that people aren’t just saying, “Hey look, that plane is making a cloud behind it. It must be a chemtrail!” There is valid research behind these claims.

More first-hand accounts of chemtrails:



The 'specifics' came in March the following year, when Maine radio reporter S. T. Brendt called a senior Air Traffic Control manager after she, her news director and staff counted 370 plumes filling skies normally devoid of commercial aircraft… As they flew north into Canada, he said, the planes were spraying a substance that showed up as a 'haze' on Air Traffic Control radar screens.

This characteristic signature of radar beams reflecting off fine aluminum particles confirmed the Espanola lab tests. It also matched a patent issued to Hughes Aircraft Corp. in 1994. This practical blueprint described spraying reflective aluminum particles into Earth's greenhouse atmosphere, 'For the Reduction of Global Warming'.



The spraying left a haze on radar screens. I can’t continue to quote this entire article, but I do suggest reading it in spare time. It talks about lab tests done on potential spraying of aluminum in the atmosphere to slow down global warming. It has numerous first-hand accounts of chemtrails. One last bit that I found interesting:



According to a New York Times feature, 'Tiny Bits of Soot Tied to Illnesses' (April 21, 2001), numerous health studies show that 'microscopic motes - composed of metals, carbon and other ingredients - are able to infiltrate the tiniest compartments in the lungs and pass readily into the bloodstream and have been most strongly tied to illness and early death, particularly in people who are already susceptible to respiratory problems.'



It's basically an NY Times article about the infiltration of the lungs by tiny metals and carbons (IN THE AIR) that are closely related to illness and death. That's about as on target as I can get. While the tiny soots of metal are mostly blamed on coal burning and industry in general, I don't believe "chemtrails" were on the checklist for scientists to consider blaming.

And hey, it's the perfect cover up for population reduction. That way, when everyone gets lung cancer, they can just continue to blame smoking. It's win-win. People die, they tax more, and continue spraying the skies.

Socratic Questions

Socratic Question #1: The global population is the number one problem facing humanity in the 21st century, especially in countries like India, China, and the US. Knowing this, would you put it above any government to take matters into their own hands in trying to reduce population?

Socratic Question #2: Assuming our government wanted to covertly reduce population significantly, how do you suppose they would do it?

Socratic Question #3: Do you believe the American government is incapable of committing atrocities against its own people?

The floor is again yours, semperfortis.

7. Most of the "players" are old friends and business partners of the senior Bush.

It is obviously not the most reliable source of information.

Would it really be that hard to believe that biological weapons were tested on citizens

So to sum it up, scientists are puzzled by the finding of these new particles in the upper atmosphere that they have not noticed in the past. Did NASA, perhaps, just discover the evidence chemtrails leave behind?

What we think we're seeing is a transitional zone where clouds are beginning to form or are dying away, and where humidity causes dry particles to absorb water and get bigger."

If that isn’t compelling enough:

altnews provides the wherewithal for visitors to
join in the discussion on forums others might wish to suppress.

There is valid research behind these claims.

It's basically an NY Times article about the infiltration of the lungs by tiny metals and carbons (IN THE AIR)

Volcanos Can Impact Air Quality

Volcanic ash can travel hundreds to thousands of miles downwind from a volcano. Fresh volcanic ash is gritty, abrasive, sometimes corrosive, and always unpleasant. Although ash is not highly toxic, it can trouble infants, the elderly and those with respiratory ailments.

That way, when everyone gets lung cancer, they can just continue to blame smoking.

Socratic Questions

Socratic Question #1: The global population is the number one problem facing humanity in the 21st century, especially in countries like India, China, and the US. Knowing this, would you put it above any government to take matters into their own hands in trying to reduce population?

Socratic Question #2: Assuming our government wanted to covertly reduce population significantly, how do you suppose they would do it?

Socratic Question #3: Do you believe the American government is incapable of committing atrocities against its own people?

Exponential Growth

If a population has a constant birth rate through time and is never limited by food or disease, it has what is known as exponential growth. With exponential growth the birth rate alone controls how fast (or slow) the population grows.

"We have seen a gradual drop in lung cancer, especially in men, as smoking rates have gone down in this country. But there is no such downtrend in people who have never smoked.

Nation-wide statistics indicate that while some types of cancer are occurring less frequently, the rates of others are still surging upward.

What the lung association and other experts are telling people about the risk to never-smokers are their best guesses — that it may be caused by yet unproven toxic exposures

Did you really read and research your “link #3”?

KSLA News 12 had the sample tested at a lab. The results: A high level of barium, 6.8 parts per million, (ppm). That's more than three times the toxic level set by the Environmental Protection Agency, or EPA.

Armed with these lab results about the high levels of barium found in our sample, we decided to contact the Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality. They told us that, 'yes,' these levels are very unusual.

In the United States, since aviation noise became a public issue in the late 1960s, governments have enacted legislative controls. Aircraft designers, manufacturers, and operators have developed quieter aircraft and better operating procedures.

• Improving engine efficiency tends to make NOx and contrails
Worse
• Aircraft typically have greater impact per unit of fuel burned
• “Solutions” for global climate will require unprecedented action
(demand management/regulations, electric vehicles, contrail avoidance,
etc.)

Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records.

The Department of Defense (DoD) tasks the 910th Airlift Wing of the U.S. Air Force Reserve to maintain an aerial spray capability. The 910th is home to the DoD’s only fixed-wing aerial spray unit.

Could (inventor of the hydrogen bomb) Edward Teller’s proposal to reduce global warming to the U.S. be involved? Teller’s proposal involves spraying minute aluminum particles to deflect the sun’s harmful ultraviolet rays, but still allow the Earth’s heat to rise through them. This seems to be supported by rainwater tests after heavy spraying in Espanola, Canada, which contained seven times the allowable limit of aluminum. In this instance, the areas with the least ultraviolet protection, as the Southwest, would be the heaviest sprayed. Most often, this does not seem to be the case.

Abundant in today's environment and toxic in excessive quantities, aluminum is mostly absorbed through the skin, lungs, and intestinal tract. Aluminum toxicity seems to affect the bones (causing brittleness or osteoporosis), kidneys, stomach, and brain. Research suggests that it may also contribute to Alzheimer’s disease, Parkinson’s disease, dementia, and other neurological disorders.

It said there is an unproven source causing cancer to be on the rise.

Ward notes that while the incidence of some cancers is climbing, overall cancer mortality rates have decreased since 1991 for both men and women.

Has my opponent changed his mind on the criteria of what I need to prove?

I am only in fact pointing to a marked increase in toxic levels around the country and rises in disease.

It can temporarily affect both the air and water supply simultaneously, while also being covert.

Well if we knew that, we wouldn't be having this debate would we?

But really, what kind of proof would you expect to come out?

1* Contrails look different
2* Major diseases increase in occurance
3* Increases of chemicals found in groundwater
4* Patents and designs of planes built to spray chemicals covertly

Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS)

The 757th operates 8 C-130H2 aircraft, four of which are modified to accept the Modular Aerial Spray System.

The aerial spray mission, transferred to Air Force Reserve Command (AFRC) from the 4500th Aerial Spray Flight, Langley Air Force Base Va. on April 1, 1973. The 355th Tactical Airlift Squadron (AFRC) gained the mission using UC-123K spray aircraft and an active-duty Air Force entomologist. The unit’s first spray mission took place at Langley Air Force Base on May 22, 1973 to control mosquitoes.

yet my opponent can explain them all away as contrails.

The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years

Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days

boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years.

Have you signed a non-disclosure or Secrets Act document that specifically relates to this project?

Yes.

Funny enough, they don't seem to mention exactly what they are spraying. They left that part out.

APPROVED AERIAL SPRAY PROJECTS (project location/pest):
a. Yorktown Naval Weapons Station, Cheatham Annex, and Camp Peary, VA. Mosquitoes.
b. Grand Forks Air Force Base, ND. Mosquitoes.
c. Minot Air Force Base, ND. Mosquitoes
d. Langley Air Force Base, VA. Mosquitoes.

Over the last few years I have been to the Yucatan several times working with the Mayan shaman Hunbatz Men.

His work is very important to the unfoldment of the new world on Earth, and to the birthing of our new consciousness.

I not only "saw" but experienced what seemed like myself, floating out of the woman's body

Does my opponent really believe that the most advanced military in the world would really leave an obvious trail of evidence behind?

• Aluminum cannot be destroyed in the environment, it can only change its form.
  
• In the air, aluminum binds to small particles, which can stay suspended for many days.
  
• It can dissolve in lakes, streams, and rivers depending on the quality of the water.
  
• It can be taken up by some plants from soil.

No they did not leave it out, in fact it was very clear.

In 1994, the Hughes aerospace company was issued a remarkable patent. The Welsbach patent "for Reduction of Global Warming" proposed countering global warming by dispensing microscopic particles of aluminum oxide and other reflective materials into the upper atmosphere.

In the spring of 1998, rain falling through heavy chemtrails over Espanola, Ontario was found to contain concentrations of aluminum particles seven times higher than permitted by Canadian health safety laws.

complaining about severe headaches, chronic joint pain, dizziness, sudden extreme fatigue, acute asthma attacks and feverless "flu-like" symptoms. The results of the test were not released.

2025 is a study designed to comply with a directive from the chief of staff of the Air Force to examine the concepts, capabilities, and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the future. Presented on 17 June 1996, this report was produced in the Department of Defense school environment of academic freedom and in the interest of advancing concepts related to national defense.

In 2025, US aerospace forces can “own the weather” by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications.

In the United States, weather-modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications... These levels could include unilateral actions, participation in a security framework such as NATO....

• Planes have been designed for mass spraying
  
  
• Mass spraying has been implemented by the Department of Defense. Their reasoning is for "mosquitoes".
  
  
• Plans have been put forth for spraying of the toxic chemical aluminum to be sprayed into the atmosphere to reduce global warming.
  
  
• Aluminum is a toxic metal that in the short-term causes flu like symptoms. Long term effects are diseases such as: cancer, Parkinson's, and Alzheimer's.
  
  
• The US considered it a priority to control the weather in 1996 - before the global warming epidemic. With the level of concern they previously held, it would only make sense that controlling global warming would have been added to the list (and don't forget the remedy that was proposed to be sprayed - aluminum).
  
  
• There have been incidents, specifically the instance I showed in Canada, of dangerously high levels of aluminum being found after residents noticed unusual contrails left by aircraft.
  
  
• Our government is spraying the skies, so anyone who says their are "no chemtrails" is ignoring the truth.