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C-130 video & photos disprove 84th RADES data while corroborating witnesses & pilot

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posted on Sep, 20 2008 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by tide88
I am not claiming I know everything about the exercises. But a little research will tell you what exercises were performed that day, what exercises the E4-b was part of.


Then you should not post about things you know nothing about.

Yes the information on the exercises does not explain what the E-4B was doing flying around during the attack.




posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 04:48 PM
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This is a 29 PDF-pages description of the E-4B Doomsday plane (SWORD31) with photographs which undoubtedly prove that is was flying low over the White House shortly after the Pentagon was hit:
911MysteryPlane PDF.
www.journalof911studies.com...

The best evidence photo was shot, straight up, beside the old Executive Office Building, located immediately next to the White House, and is the ultimate proof that the E-4B was flying at low altitude in P56 restricted airspace (page 7 of 29).


Linda Brookhart, at the time Vice President of
the Taxpayer Federation of Illinois, was in Washington attending a National
Taxpayers Conference in the old Executive Office Building (located immediately
next to the White House) when she and many others were told to
vacate the building. Linda explained to me that after she walked outside
she was standing in the street talking to a security guard when she just
happened to look up and see the plane.xi At that point, she snapped this
excellent photo with her Pentax.




Furthermore, I would advice to study the newly released FOIA requests from John Farmer:
aal77.com...

TYSON mp3 recording of FAA air traffic controller voice communication with GOPHER06, SWORD31 and BOBCAT14+17 and a few more:
aal77.com...

Radar screen capture from DCA TRACON for F77, C-130 (GOPHER06), BOBCAT14+17 (2 fighters in the air), SWORD31 (E-4B Doomsday plane) for a period of about half an hour starting before flight 77 impacted, and the time after impact:
aal77.com...

This is a screen capture at UTC time 13:36:51.6 of SWORD31 (E-4B), BOBCAT14 and 17 (jet fighters)and GOPHER06 (C-130-H) :



The dotted lines inside the yellow ovals are the captured radar returns at each full 360° radar dish revolution. DCA radar fully turned I believe every 5 seconds or so, so this is about half a minute of radar hits.
As you can see, BOBCAT 14 is already moving up, following the E-4B.
The 4 radial lined up dots with an "S" at the end, in front of the yellow oval of GOPHER06, is the flight path of Flight 77.

More info at my other post here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...


[edit on 21/9/08 by LaBTop]



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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tide88, pinch and Reheat:
SWORD31 definitely wasn't the E-4B seen over the White House.
See the above posted radar screen shot.

So which E-4B was flying there? Definitely another one.

Isn't it damn strange, that TWO of the four E-4B's were in the vicinity of the White House and the Pentagon, on a day that the US military seemed to have been caught off-guard in an immensely strange bundle of coincidences?
And that those E-4B's would be expected to fly much further north, aiding in the war games concerning an artificial assault by Russian planes on the USA.

It really looks like this was all orchestrated by the Joint Chiefs.
Source: 911MysteryPlane PDF.
www.journalof911studies.com...


Schedule Change in 2001.
In previous years the military always staged Global Guardian in October or
November and, according to various reports, the 2001 exercise was likewise
originally scheduled for October.xxxvi However, for reasons that have
never been disclosed, the Joint Chiefs changed the plan and conducted the
2001 exercise during the week of September 11. The following year the
date reverted back. The 2002 Global Guardian came off in October, as in
previous years, and this has continued to be the case.xxxvii


We know that an E-4B was flying to Offutt AFB, it could be that SWORD31 was that plane, and thus the plane above the White House is for sure another one.


We do know that on 9/11 one of the E-4Bs was en route to Offutt AFB with a high-level military advisory panel on board, including its chairman, retired Lt. General Brent Scowcroft, evidently for the purpose of observing the exercise. The role of this panel, whose official name is the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (FIAB), is to monitor US intelligence agencies. STRATCOM reportedly terminated the 2001 exercise at 9:03 AM, when Flight 175 crashed into the South Tower.xxxiv However, the E-4Bs remained aloft.xxxv As I have shown, one of them circled over Washington.



Source for the following explanation, the new RADES screen captures:
aal77.com...

The two restricted airspaces were never compromised by a visible radar blip in this new RADES screen. Thus the E-4B spotted above the White House must have flown with its transponder OFF!
That's also why the Secret Service was panicking, that plane didn't turn up on their feeds from the FAA and from the 84RADES radar group.

There are two restricted airspaces to be found in the new RADES screen shots.
One small circle above the center, the Vice-president's quarters, to the right of the two dotted lines (River Approach) leading to the DCA radar dish on the northeastern top of Reagan Airport.
And one somewhat "crystal" cubic formed one, the P56 area, just to the right of the spot where those two dotted lines meet at the northern top of the runways of Reagan Airport.

If you follow the flight paths of the mentioned planes with their call signs attached in the new RADES video, you can observe the following events at the specified times:

33:42.4 GOPHER06 (C-130) appears for the first time, already picked up by radar at take-off from Andrews AFB runway. That low, radar picked already a radar return up from GOPHER06, the C-130 from Lt.Colonel O'Brien.
Conclusion: the E-4B in my above posted photo above the White House had its transponder turned of, otherwise it would have been visible at FAA radar screens and RADES screens. Every time Washington Central took over a plane from the FAA teams or the 84RADES teams, they asked them to change transponders, and thus these planes disappeared from those screens as blips with a call sign.
A FOIA would be urgent needed for the Washington Central command post radar data. I think it will be stonewalled with the usual "national security" rubbish.

35:47.0 Flight 77 turns up as an "S" in a radar return blip, on its way descending to the Pentagon, in the middle of its proposed big loop on a northeastern course.
The C-130 is still flying its nearly straight western course, and is visible on the radar screen, just under the DCA radar dish, which is the center point of the radar screen in the video.

36:28.6 The screen indicator letter for the C-130 changes from "T" to a "2".

36:37.7 "S" is now head-on in front of "2", i.o.w., flight 77 crosses the flight path of the C-130 at the 12 o'clock position.

38:19.3 S (flight 77) disappeared from the screen, so is just seconds away from the Pentagon west wall.
The C-130 (2) is turning around on a straight eastern course (080°) to the Pentagon, to follow flight 77.

39:51.6 The C-130 (2) starts turning sharp to the north just in front of the Pentagon. The smoke column where it flies through, is then already at least 500 meters high, so observable from the White House grounds.
Thus the second E-4B (not SWORD31) should be visible at the RADES radar screen in P56 restricted airspace, but is nowhere to be seen. See posted photo of an E-4B.
SWORD31 is then already off the screen in the upper northeastern corner of the radar screen.
BOBCAT17 is still in the southeastern part of the screen, while BOBCAT14 has changed transponder signal already many minutes before and disappeared from the center of the screen as a recognizable blib with a call sign, no other blip of it to be found anymore on that course.

41:05.6 This is the point where the C-130 (2) starts turning to the northeast on its new course, a 60° turn upwards on the screen.


We are left with some questions,
1. Why were 2 E-4B's flying around the Pentagon and the White House, when they weren't forewarned?
2. Why were the two fighter jets not directed to the certain threat that flight 77 already was?
3. Why was SWORD31 not using its jamming capabilities to down flight 77?
Why was the other one doing neither?
4. Were the passengers of the second E-4B on a sight seeing tour aboard that Doomsday plane, to see if all went according plans?
5. Why were slow planes as those 2 E-4B's and the C-130 capable of taking off, but no jet fighters were launched in time? A box of 50 millimeter cannon bullets was all what was needed to arm any fighter at ALL the AFBases around Washington.
6. Which idiot send those other two armed fighters on their usual sea bound take-off path, when at that time he already knew about the situation in New York and the incoming threads towards Washington? Why is he not fired?
7. Why must we ask through FOIA's for every nagging little detail, when obviously, when there is no foul play around, those withholding institutions could easily hand over every little tidbit of information instantly, which should clear them from any suspicion.

Etcetera.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 09:54 PM
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Thus the E-4B spotted above the White House must have flown with its transponder OFF!


Not quite. It was squawking 0310 and its call sign was VENUS 77. Go to aal77.com and click on the movies link and then click on the Marco Bollettino video link, it shows the E-4B's flight path. This is the plane seen over DC.

Also, listen to the KRANT audio. Washington Departure clears a kneecap (NEACP) aircraft at Andrews Air Force Base. It is also listed on the Andrews Tower flight progress strips.


1. Why were 2 E-4B's flying around the Pentagon and the White House, when they weren't forewarned?
2. Why were the two fighter jets not directed to the certain threat that flight 77 already was?
3. Why was SWORD31 not using its jamming capabilities to down flight 77?
Why was the other one doing neither?
4. Were the passengers of the second E-4B on a sight seeing tour aboard that Doomsday plane, to see if all went according plans?
5. Why were slow planes as those 2 E-4B's and the C-130 capable of taking off, but no jet fighters were launched in time? A box of 50 millimeter cannon bullets was all what was needed to arm any fighter at ALL the AFBases around Washington.
6. Which idiot send those other two armed fighters on their usual sea bound take-off path, when at that time he already knew about the situation in New York and the incoming threads towards Washington? Why is he not fired?
7. Why must we ask through FOIA's for every nagging little detail, when obviously, when there is no foul play around, those withholding institutions could easily hand over every little tidbit of information instantly, which should clear them from any suspicion.


1. How does flying around Washington, DC equate to forewarning?

2. They weren't fighters, they were T-2's. Check that Tyson transcript summary.

3. What??? Please don't tell me that you believe that's true.

4. That's exactly what it looks like, except for the "according to plan" part. Nothing like planning the conspiracy of the century and then giving it all way by flying low over the crime scene.

5. Read the flight strips. They were all scheduled to depart.
I don't know of any fighters that use 50 caliber ammo.

6. Read Touching History, that's where you'll find the answer.
What makes you think he wasn't fired?

7. It wouldn't clear any one of suspicion because conspiracy theorist are very irrational.



posted on Sep, 21 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by LaBTop

We are left with some questions,
1. Why were 2 E-4B's flying around the Pentagon and the White House, when they weren't forewarned?


Your amateurish interpretation of a photograph is proof of nothing.



2. Why were the two fighter jets not directed to the certain threat that flight 77 already was?


If you knew what you were doing you would have noted based on the flight data strips that the two Bobcats WERE NOT FIGHTERS. They were two T-2 Buckeye's who had departed from Dover AFB, Delaware. The "T" designation is for TRAINER.



3. Why was SWORD31 not using its jamming capabilities to down flight 77?
Why was the other one doing neither?


What jamming capabilities are you talking about? The E4B is a Communications platform, not an electronic wizard. What kind of electronics would "down flight 77"? You have no clue what you're talking about. None whatsoever.



4. Were the passengers of the second E-4B on a sight seeing tour aboard that Doomsday plane, to see if all went according plans?


It's more likely that they were there in order to make people like you look foolish for believing they were there for some nefarious purpose.



5. Why were slow planes as those 2 E-4B's and the C-130 capable of taking off, but no jet fighters were launched in time? A box of 50 millimeter cannon bullets was all what was needed to arm any fighter at ALL the AFBases around Washington.


Maybe it has something to do with SCHEDULED versus UNSCHEDULED. Then again maybe it was because there were no 50 mm bullets available. Anyone else know who uses 50 mm cannons? I'm not even sure they exist.



6. Which idiot send those other two armed fighters on their usual sea bound take-off path, when at that time he already knew about the situation in New York and the incoming threads towards Washington? Why is he not fired?


I will not answer a question which has hostility dripping from between every word. If you really want an answer, get down on your knees and beg. Then, I'll consider answering it.



7. Why must we ask through FOIA's for every nagging little detail, when obviously, when there is no foul play around, those withholding institutions could easily hand over every little tidbit of information instantly, which should clear them from any suspicion.


Simple because people like you think every nagging little detail is important enough that you have to have personal notarized copies in triplicate. Then after examining those simply say "it's fake", InSiDe JeOb!

[edit on 21-9-2008 by Reheat]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by ULTIMA1

Originally posted by tide88
I am not claiming I know everything about the exercises. But a little research will tell you what exercises were performed that day, what exercises the E4-b was part of.


Then you should not post about things you know nothing about.

Yes the information on the exercises does not explain what the E-4B was doing flying around during the attack.

You should know why the E4 took off, after we were under attack; you are in the NSA; stop being coy. An NSA analyst would have a good reason the E4 took off after we were under attack.

Darn, i let it leak twice. give us some good NSA stuff; thanks

The E4 took off after 77 impacted; check it out; see above. Good luck

[edit on 22-9-2008 by beachnut]



posted on Sep, 22 2008 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by beachnut You should know why the E4 took off, after we were under attack; you are in the NSA; stop being coy.


I am asking people that think they know everything why it was there.

People that still think they have evidence even though its clear they do not.

[edit on 22-9-2008 by ULTIMA1]



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