just out of curosity, why does it reflect very poorly on his judgement that he chose a woman VP? is it because she's a mom? (cause most moms have similar issues. it's part of being a mom).

Originally posted by infinite
Speaking as an unorthodox feminist...

Oh no, she cannot be Vice President or President because she is a woman?! Some of us do believe in gender equality.

Misogyny and sexism seems to prevalent these days.

Now now, do not let hypocrisy get the better of us.

The only misogynist and hypocritical statements appear to be in your comments. No one has questioned whether or not a woman can be president or vice president ... ever hear of Hillary Clinton?

That's not the issue here in America. Only in your reply.

if palin leaves the race, what do you think will happen to subsequent democratic female candidates? and tit for tat, subsequent republican female candidates. they're having a freakin' war over the trail of female candidates bodies their leaving everywhere.



[edit on 2-9-2008 by undo]

Originally posted by marinesniper
I get the feeling your a CBS watcher...

I can't get CBS or NBC or ABC.

Originally posted by undo
just out of curosity, why does it reflect very poorly on his judgement that he chose a woman VP?

I didn't say it reflects poorly on his judgment that he chose a WOMAN VP. I said If he has to dump her (for whatever reason) because he made a rash decision, then it's clear he makes bad judgments. Not a good trait for a president...

If he had made a solid sound decision, he wouldn't have to dump her. Right? So, if he does, if she "suddenly quits", it will appear that McCain made a rash decision.

Originally posted by undo

i can guarantee you there is not one woman in this country that could pass the muster of either party. the opposing sides would rip her to shreds.

John McCain new this but he chose a woman anyway. That's precisely why the OP thinks it's a Trojan Horse and Palin will step down in favor of a MAN. Or perhaps Condi but thats another story.

the question then is: why is it a rash decision?
do we really know how well they know each other or how much they know?
see, my theory is, that this whole idea of him plucking her from a hat while blindfolded, where hers is the only slip of paper in the hat, is contrived because there will never be a female in the white house. the men in this country think we are too dumb. and this is especially so if we're moms.

just do a youtube search on sarah.
you see things like... sarah palin, the republican barbie doll.
had she been ugly, it would be sarah palin cracked my tv screen.

i mean, seriously, there's no end to the insults to women and mothers in these campaigns! it just ticks me off to no end. what do you think it's saying to the rest of the moms and women here? if they are devoutly democratic, they may disagree with her platform but you can bet they are absorbing those insults and it's accumulating in their psyche.

this whole debacle is a shameful display of hatred of women and that includes the absolutely ludicrous stuff said about hillary, such as the label they gave her of WHORE OF BABYLON.

I, for one, wouldn't mind to see Ms. Palin as VP. If and or when the Republicans win the votes I can see a wonderful partnership happening. First of all, if Mr McCain should be disabled or die in office Mr. Palin would make a good president. The reason is as all presidents have many advisors at hand and from that make a choice in what to do. Perhaps because she is a women and as most know women think very differently then men would be making, I hope, a better choice in what to do. She is her own person as most know so let her be. As for her family, that should also be off limits. What does that have to do with her. Its very difficult to control teenagers hormones and they will do what they want to do. After all, look at yourselves when you were younger. Most likely you didn't listen to your parents too much. A women as president would be a refreshing change. The reason I wouldn't have picked Ms Clinton is because her husband would still be calling the shots in the background or make a mess within the white house being a womenizer.

This appears to be pure speculation. A theory requires at least some evidence and you list or link to nothing. Do you have something to share to give credence to your speculation?

To consider this we at least need to know the position or professions of your sources and why they would have such intimate inside knowledge. Otherwise, just pure guesswork?

The only credible criticism of Palin would be about her firing of one of her staff, which is so well known here that it is a non issue here. Now I did not vote for Palin, but I don't think people who care about gossip like the lie about her child and the fact her teenage daughter is a normal human probably don't even vote.

The only negatives we are hearing here are from our out of state owned paper who only endorses Democrats and a single Liberal talk show host on a local radio program.

I think you are grossly underestimating the intellegence of people who actually vote if you believe that her daughter getting pregnant would cost any votes to speak of. The other nonsense about her kid only makes people more likely to vote for her out of anger at the Kos. Obama endorsed the Kos when he made a special trip to their get together a while back.

I started out to consider Obama and liked him until he refused the public funding exposing him as someone who fails to keep promises and then I started leaning toward McCain as the lesser of two evils. These lies about Palin and this attack on her teenage daughter is driving me even more that direction. Others are parroting my thoughts and I think this will blow up in Obama's face. He has yet to distance himself from Kos. He did say the right things, but until he denounces the Daily Kos, I can't tilt his direction. And yes I'm the classic swing voter who often does not decide until election day.

There is no way in hell any of that is true. Come back to me in Nov and show me how wrong I was by the way. This is pure DNC propaganda. The DNC is in a panic and America can see it. Keep hitting on the kid issues and you will see all but maybe 3 states vote GOP. This was a plan no doubt, but whatever you heard is wrong. My guess is they knew the dems would screw up and look bad to America by hitting Palin on the kid thing.

If this Thread is correct ( I doubt there is an inkling of truth in this)

But if it is we are completely in the position we all fear, caught in a choice of 2 candidates who are bought and sold by the global elite.

I take McCains bringing in an Unvetted outsider as a way of thwarting the neocons, that he is a Traditional Republican, and opposed in his heart to the neo con agenda...

Many of us can despise conservative politics but it is NOT a bad thing to be conservative, the Regan years were not horrible Nothing like this, they didn't do a bad job of helping the Soviet Union Fall either.

But what the Neocons are, is a Nazi Party, Fascism and what Obama is is striaght UN globalist socialism

America is lost if this thread is real, If McCain were to ditch this woman over a family scandal and replace her with an "insider" then we know, he IS what we all fear he is 4 more years of Bush and Obama is certainly Globalist with a socialist agenda that is very unamerican, in day to day policy some of us might like that, in the long run though it leaves us without a country under our control too.

Palin everything else aside... to me is a signal that McCain isn't playing ball with NeoCons, that's why she wasn't vetted, because she wouldn't, no one he picked that wasn't a Neocon wouldn't have passed the test, so he waited until the last minute and put in an old school family values Republican, in hopes she could hold up to this test..

I'm Talking too much as usual...

If he drops her, aside from showing that he is barely a human being, he is also a Neocon

and then we are Screwed, all of us be we conservative or liberal

Originally posted by undo
do we really know how well they know each other or how much they know?

They met once.

I disagree that a woman will never make it. There are many respected women and Hillary ALMOST made it. Yes, there are a lot of baboons out there, but they aren't the majority anymore. Change is happening. The glass ceiling is cracking. Never has a woman gotten so close. That's a good sign.

I really don't think this is about Palin being a woman. It's about the woman she is.

Originally posted by undo
this whole debacle is a shameful display of hatred of women and that includes the absolutely ludicrous stuff said about hillary, such as the label they gave her of WHORE OF BABYLON.

Are you forgetting the labels that Obama and McCain are carrying? Women aren't the only ones who are getting treated badly here. Hillary didn't lose because she's a woman.

Also, it should be noted that Tom Ridge and Rudy Guliani have been dropped as speakers to night, and Lieberman is the keynote speaker. Perhaps the McCain camp is trying to see what the GOP's reception of him may be, and then replace Palin with Lieberman if it's positive??