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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 11:25 PM by talisman
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I think Alex and the Loose Change guys are learning as they go along and they are improving indeed. Alex is more of an activist but his film making skills are improving and Bermas has turned it up a notch for his research.









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reply posted on 6-9-2008 @ 07:23 PM by watchZEITGEISTnow
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Just do what I'm going to do on this 11th September, walk down the street and hand out free dvd's and flyers to people that look interested in the subject. I am going to do this and hope many more people start to do this in their own small communities such as mine.



Z

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reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 12:29 AM by TrueAmerican
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Yeah, one could go there. But with that news of explosions in WTC7, who cares about FOX. It wasn't FOX getting those particular interviews. Why would you even be worried about that when there are more explosions to deal with? Does your safety net crumble by one more thread with this video?

I suppose one would assume they came from the same source as the other reported explosions, but not necessarily. The explosion blew him upward, and he was left hanging on to a pole or something, with the only option of going up. That would suggest some kind of explosive knocking out part of the floor below him.

Now if they were on the 28th floor, that's a lot of floors below him. And the sheer fact that he survived the explosion probably means that he was more on the periphery of it rather than directly above it, but that depends on the size of the explosion, of course. The lobby destroyed could be another clue of just how big that explosion might have been.

But another key point here is the fact that he gave this exact evidence to the 911 Commission, and like all the other evidence of explosions, was disregarded. A real investigation, that was. Uh huh.


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 02:13 AM by Cool Hand Luke
Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Does your safety net crumble by one more thread with this video?




But another key point here is the fact that he gave this exact evidence to the 911 Commission, and like all the other evidence of explosions, was disregarded. A real investigation, that was. Uh huh.


Well here is his story
on page 109 (163 pdf) of the NIST NCSTAR

They don't call it an investigation without doing some investigating.

At approximately 9:30 a.m., FDNY, EMS established a Division for assisting victims at WTC7.[372] An EMS triage center was established in the lobby of WTC7 as occupants from WTC1 and WTC6 evacuated through WTC7.[373] At approximately 9:44 a.m., after the report of a third aircraft heading into the city and news that the Pentagon had been attacked, a Deputy OEM Commissioner ordered the complete evacuation of WTC7.

*snip*

At 9:59 a.m. WTC2 collapsed, and debris from the collapse struck the south face of WTC7.[376] At 10:28 a.m., WTC1 collapsed and a significant amount of damage was done to WTC7.[377] A large amount of debris crashed through the front center of the building from approximately the 10th floor down to ground level, and debris ripped part of the southwest corner off from approximately the 8th floor up to the 18th floor.[378] The collapse of WTC1 also appears to be responsible for starting fires inside of WTC7.[379] With the collapse of the two towers, a New York City employee and a WTC7 building staff person became trapped inside of WTC7.[380] The two had gone to the OEM center on the 23rd floor and found no one there. As they went to get into an elevator to go downstairs the lights inside of WTC7 flickered as WTC2 collapsed. At this point, the elevator they were attempting to catch no longer worked, so they started down the staircase. Whey they got to the 6th floor. WTC1 collapsed, the lights went out in the staircase, the sprinklers came on briefly, and the staircase filled with smoke and debris. The two men went back to the 8th floor broke out a window and called for help. Firefighters on the ground saw them and went up the stairs. In addition, a security officer for one of the businesses in the building was also trapped on the 7th floor by the smoke in the stairway. As the firefighters went up, they vented the stairway and cleared some of the smoke. They first met the security officer on the 7th floor and firefighters escorted him down the stairs. Other firefighters from the group continued up the stairs, shined their flashlight through the staircase smoke and called out. The two trapped men on the 8th floor saw the flashlight beam and heard the firefighters calling and went down the stairway. The firefighters took the men outside and directed them away from the building.[381]


wtc.nist.gov

WTC2 collapsing debris hitting 7 = explosion 1

WTC1 collapsing major debris hitting 7 = explosion 2

[edit on 7-9-2008 by Cool Hand Luke]


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 06:03 AM by gottago
reply to post by Cool Hand Luke



All well and good, but NIST conveniently forgot to mention that the witness, who was a senior manager of the NYC emergency response center, states explicitly that the explosions below him occurred before the towers fell.

And that is what he told the 9/11 commission.

Lying by omission is still lying.

Nice try.

Edit to add:

This documentary convinces by the sheer mass of information presented, allowing any sentient being to connect the dots for themselves about motive, the true scale of the entire operation--not just the attacks themselves--the complicity of foreign governments, and the depth and breadth of the deceit and the cover-up.

And it does so simply by intelligently ordering and presenting MSM reports to build a coherent framework for understanding the events of 9/11.

Truly damning, and we are the damned.


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reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 11:36 AM by Cool Hand Luke
reply to post by gottago



Did anyone die in the collapse of Tower 7?

There is no evidence that anyone died in Tower 7 on 9/11. However, conspiracy talk shows and websites seized on a recent interview for Loose Change with the crucial eyewitness Barry Jennings.

The writer and director of Loose Change, Dylan Avery, told The Conspiracy Files: "The amount of detail that Barry gave us in this interview was unreal. He says he was stepping over dead bodies in the lobby."

Barry Jennings himself disagrees with their interpretation of his words. Barry Jennings told the BBC: "I didn't like the way you know I was portrayed. They portrayed me as seeing dead bodies. I never saw dead bodies"

Dylan Avery is adamant that he didn't take anything out of context. He played The Conspiracy Files a recording of Barry Jennings words: "The fire fighter who took us down kept saying do not look down. And I kept saying why.

"He said do not look down. And we're stepping over people and you know you could feel when you're stepping over people."

However, Barry Jennings told the BBC: "I said it felt like I was stepping over them but I never saw any.

"And you know that's the way they portrayed me and I didn't appreciate that so I told them to pull my interview."


Source emphasis mine

Will be adding more later about his recollection of the explosions.

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