How much Oil do we have left?, page 1
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Topic started on 1-9-2008 @ 07:17 PM by Sendran
I googled this question and was directed to www.opec.org which provided the following statistics:

1,204,182 million barrels in reserves (2006)
www.opec.org...

84.7 million barrels per day in demand (2007)
www.opec.org...

A little maths gives us 38 years left at those levels.

I wondered whether or not these figures are accurate and if anyone had any thoughts on the adaptation of humanity to a world without oil. No cars, I know that we're building vehicles with new power sources, but they're not the same. No planes, ships, locomotives, how will we transport goods? A finite global amount of plastic and a huge hole in our energy grid.

This document www.energybulletin.net... speaks of using tar and others to prolong our oil reliant ways. (note their prices - if only!)

With the growth of China and India and the world's ever increasing consumption of oil, the lack of both practical solutions and willingness of the people to change, I wonder how long we really do have left, and whether or not we will come through the transition in good shape.

Any thoughts?

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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 12:05 PM by Sendran
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Thanks for the post.

Didn't see a reference to the figures you quoted on the site you gave.

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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:28 PM by crimvelvet
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And water costs because of the hardware and maintenance for it to come out of your tap. Want free water? We could collect it and process it ourselves, no law says we can't. We pay for convenience, not the water.


WRONG. The newest Government craze is to come in and stick a meter on your well. The one you paid to have drilled.


A number of countries levy water service fees. Eighteen of 21 industrialized countries surveyed by OECD (all but Austria, Iceland, and Japan) reported user fees for water, sewerage and sewage treatment. Rates in most OECD countries are higher than those in the United States. In the case of industrial users, water fees are usually based on quantities of water consumed Consumption-based rates are more likely to influence water use than flat rates, but relatively large price increases might be needed to induce changes in consumer behavior....

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Water Rights in Oregon
WHAT IS A WATER RIGHT?
Oregon law provides that "all water from all sources of supply belongs to the public." Waters of the State may be appropriated for private use only by following the procedures provided for under state law. A person who follows these procedures through to a successful completion acquires a water right. The right is memorialized in a Water Right Certificate, a copy of which is kept on file at WRD.

WHY DO I NEED A WATER RIGHT?
With limited exceptions, a water right is required in order to use non-municipal surface or groundwater on your property. In times of water shortage a water right gives you priority over persons with rights obtained later in time, even if they are upstream.
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Sorry for the hijack but people need to know water is no longer "free" but controlled by the government in many areas. This includes rain water collected of roofs.





reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:33 PM by dbates
reply to post by Sendran

What I'm saying is that just because you have a lot of something doesn't mean you have the ability to use it all or to get it where and when you want it.


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:50 PM by sty
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we have left the same amount op petrol we used since we started the Industrial age. The problem is that the less we have , the harder it gets to be extracted . For example, 20 years ago it would take 1 liter of petrol to extract 20 of them. Now , in average we need one liter of petrol to extract 10 . canada sands would require 2 liters of petrol (worth of energy) in order to extract one . About the US reserves? I hope they are not difficult to be extracted then !

however, once extracted , the petrol game is not over - the Caspian sea also promissed a lot, however the quality of the petrol was very poor as the percentage of sulfur or other chemicals is so high that you need to spend loads of money to clear that out...

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reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 02:56 PM by Sendran
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Not in the UK they don't, unless you have a new build or request one.


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 03:02 PM by Sendran
reply to post by sty


Thanks for the post and the info.

If we could calculate the total mass of all the living things there has ever been, then using our understanding of oil location and formation, could we work out a definite amount of oil on the planet, and subsequently a cut off date based on consumption?

Surely someone could do this with some degree of accuracy. We can work out how far in dollar bills Bill Gate's money would strecth out into space...



reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 03:04 PM by dbates
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Quite possibly, but it will be painful. What's often misunderstood about Peak Oil is that it doesn't mean you wake up one morning and run out of oil. What it does mean is that we've reached the limit of the amount we can get out of the ground each day. The problem with this is that in the mean time, there are more and more people wanting to drive cars, and have electricity, etc.

What will most likely happen is that the price of oil will steadily get higher and higher. At first it will just mean that you can't have as many new clothes or go out to eat as often. Eventually however, you find that you can't afford bigger cars, or vacations.

The worst case scenario is that countries will realize that the world is below the half-tank mark and start wars to gain control of resources. The Iraq invasion is probably just this very thing. Funny thing that we found the terrorist right in the middle of where all the oil is isn't it?


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 03:14 PM by crimvelvet
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Nuclear power would certainly help. It could be brought on line a lot faster than people think if it is expedited instead of NIMBYed. Senator Kennedy NIMBYed off shore windmills because they would ruin the view and devalue his property. Unfortunately the powerful/rich own the shorelines so off shore windmills are a tough sell.

You could probably get smaller wind/water power generation brought on board for farms if zoning will allow it. I want to investigate grants for that for a group of farmers in my area. A grant type deal where several small or a couple large wind generators are put in for "free" in return for generating excess power for the grid might go over very well. I would certainly allow extra windmills to go in on my property if I got to keep a portion of the power generated. I rather generate power this way instead of using food for biofuel.

If anyone has any info on grants of this type please let me know. I got tapped to make a report on it to the group of farmers this winter.


reply posted on 2-9-2008 @ 08:14 PM by dbates
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My straightforward opinion. Ever hear of Armageddon? Ever wonder why all the armies of the world would gather in the Middle East and fight? I think one of the main reasons is oil.

So there you go, but then that's my 2 cents.
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