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Sarah Palin announces daughter is pregnant

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posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Wow, I misread the laws... I thought that a 16 year old in Alaska's consent law still required the older person to be less than two years older. It seems like a bit of a grey area. Especially if the father, Levi, is something like 21 years old...

Nice find...
DocMoreau




posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 02:51 PM
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Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
You see, I rely on what I consider to be more reputable sources for news,


I hate to tell you this but DNC marching orders do not constitute a reputable source for news. You and your leaders are out to attack a child to get to her mother and that is all you are doing! Shame on you liberal!



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:00 PM
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I absolutely agree with regards to the religious conservative reaction. In their eyes, she will have made a mistake, but they'll also recognize that we all make mistakes. Conservatives will look at what happened afterward.. In their eyes, Bristol Palin will be a hero for making all of the right decisions on the issue afterward.

The left thinks that conservatives and the religious right are intolerant, but this is not true in the vast majority of cases. They will certainly rally around one of their own.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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The intolerant ones are the DNC and they're financial backers. Win at any cost and destroy anyone for they're own ends seems to be the norm since the socialists have taken over the party!!
Zindo



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:04 PM
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Generally in most states the the 16 year old consent laws, the second party must not be older than 23. However from what I've found for Alaska it is 3 years. so 16 would be no older than 20 and 17 would be no older than 21. However any older and it is considered a 4th degree sexual abuse of a minor which is a class A misdemeanor. A crime yes, but not quite a felony.

An individual adjudged
guilty of a Class A misdemeanor shall be punished by:
(1) a fine not to exceed $4,000;
(2) confinement in jail for a term not to exceed one
year; or
(3) both such fine and confinement.

Illegal? Yes. But not quite the end of the world either. Generally the actual penalty imposed is much less. So if she were 16 at the time, then then father's date of birth would have to be established as well. If (and that's a big if cause we know nothing about him) he is 21 now, it doesn't mean he was 21 then.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:06 PM
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I have no problem personally with Gov. Palin, actually I think she seems sort of smart out if the box politician and has great potential. My problem is not her, or the fact that she used pot, or the fact that her family looks more like a train wreck than anything else, that is truly where she connects with the average folk in my opinion.

My problem is with McCain, as an independant voter I wont make my decision on who to vote on who is VP, but it does weighs heavily, I'm in the military so anyone who has an opportunity to decide where, when and under what pretenses we go to war I have to examine that person very closely and the fact for me is that I would not like her been my CIC.

I always thought that McCain would put his country first, by picking Palin he put his political ambitions first and that says a lot in it of himself. By now we shouldn't be even talking of VP candidates, we should be talking about issues, but this is what politicians get when they get desperate.

This to me is all about McCain.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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I'm sure its enough to get your name on a CSC website. Those sites really hurt your future dating prospects.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:10 PM
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Barack Obama (as hoped) says "Back off!"

www.washingtontimes.com...


MONROE, Mich. | Democratic nominee Sen. Barack Obama Monday afternoon issued a strong statement to "back off" reports of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, telling reporters families — and especially children — are off limits in this presidential campaign.

Mr. Obama, campaigning here, also noted that his own mother was 18 when she gave birth to him.

"People's families are off limits," he said. "People's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. "

"I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories," he added. "That shouldn't be a topic in our politics."



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by jetxnet
Here's Obama's own statement about his daughters having kids. It is what he really thinks regardless of his political maneuvers otherwise:



"...I've got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."



The one thing that keeps coming to my mind as I continue to read the posts in this thread (especialy the post by the left wing extremists) is that Bristols child will atleast be allowed a chance at life and not run the risk of being aborted like it would if a liberal lunatic had anything to say about it.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by vor78
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Why does it make you question his judgement? What bearing does Bristol Palin's situation even have on matters pertaining to the Presidency or Vice Presidency or the safety and security of this country? Does she have a role in that? No.


Like I said earlier this all comes back to McCain judgement in picking Gov. Palin to be in the ticket. McCain saw a lot of upside politically by choosing a smart, charismatic, good looking, well spoken but inexperienced candidate. He took a political risk instead of choosing someone really qualified that could be ready to step in in case McCain goes down(and common when we talk about McCain as it correlates to the VP pick we really have to use our common sense and acknowledge that there are some serious chances that he wont even fulfill his first term if elected).

Gov. Palin might have a great future as a politician, but this is McCain's race, the fact that all this stories are coming out deflects from the record that McCain has!

Havent you realize that the dems are affraid to attack McCain?



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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that decison is for the pregnant woman alone. If she wanted to terminate she should have been allowed to.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:17 PM
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Nice to see Obama taking the high road on the issue. He didnt want his kids involved in the politics and Palin has the right for her children to be kept out of the discussion.

Now, with hope the campaigns will get to the real issues.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by mybigunit
hehe. Heres the thing...this is why you dont throw rocks in glass houses and you see this constantly in the republican party. You have these people claiming the moral highground and moral authority and everytime scandels like the gay sex, or hitting on men in bathrooms, hitting on young pages, affairs, pre wed pregnancies. This is what I cant stand about the republicans of today. The fact is Sara Palin and her daughters are human. Im glad to hear they like to have sex frankly I think Id bang Palin BUT the hypocrisy of the party is disgusting. They need to just kick the whole moral high ground agenda. It wont happen because they want that evangelical vote.

[edit on 1-9-2008 by mybigunit]
I wonder how this will play out with the bible thumping idiots that the Repubs like to court?



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by Bunch

I always thought that McCain would put his country first, by picking Palin he put his political ambitions first and that says a lot in it of himself. By now we shouldn't be even talking of VP candidates, we should be talking about issues, but this is what politicians get when they get desperate.

This to me is all about McCain.


Picking Palin was a politically motivated choice, yes, but his political ambitions had little to do with it. You could even stretch and spin it to demonstrating bi-partisianship, but its easier to just say they have differences on the issues.

For me its all about Palin, she is authentic, the real deal. Look at what she has DONE for the state of Alaska and maintained 80+ approval rating. Now I have some one to vote for, its no longer lesser of 2 evils.

Words of little impact to me, I want to see the results.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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I have said it before and I will continue to say it: Pro-Choice is NOT Pro-Abortion.

Every situation is different and the only person who has the right to make decisions of this magnitude is the mother. We should all be free to make decision about our own bodies and health with consultation from a medical professional.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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Thanks for fleshing out your one liner by accusing me of being a 'Liberal'...

I will let it slide because I have been very liberal in my frank line of research in regard to an unknown Candidate who seems to have made her political career running on Family Values.

I guess you could say I am 'fearful' as well...

But the only fear I have in regard to Palin is that she was a 'maverick' choice, but a pandering one as well. That in his own twisted logic, McCain decided that the same women who respected anti-gun Hillary will have to respect AR-15 toting Sarah. If you don't, she might shoot you....

More importantly, I am afraid that if McCain were elected, Palin might be thrust into a position that she doesn't seem to be ready for. It is one thing to be mother of 5, soon to be grandmother of one, and Governor of 600,000 people. It is completely different if she were President. The only plus I can see is that perhaps Bristol will be able to wetnurse her own younger brother at 3am, when her own mother had to do her job as Commander in Chief of the Free World...

So many here at ATS compare her experience with Obama's. Okay, for sake of argument, flip the McCain ticket because of his age.... Obama/Biden or Palin/McCain...
Obama does not have a 5 month old baby to distract him... Does not have a teenage mother as well to distract him.... Or am I not allowed to marginalize McCain like that?

As a State Senator, Obama represented more people from his district, the 13th, than there are people in the State of Alaska. He also taught Constitutional Law for 12 years.

Is it degrading to compare his experience to Palin's as Mother of 5 and small town Mayor? I don't know. But it certainly marginalizes his accomplishments, while trumping up hers.

It also allows McCain to stay in the background, to look down her cleavage.
He sure loves beauty queens... Carol,Cindy and now Sarah

I wonder how Cindy really feels about John's pretty new 'soulmate'?
DocMoreau



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by yeti101
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that decison is for the pregnant woman alone. If she wanted to terminate she should have been allowed to.


And she should then be prosecuted for murder...along with you as here accomplice.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by mike dangerously


I wonder how this will play out with the bible thumping idiots that the Repubs like to court?


Probably call it a mistake, pick up the pieces and make the best of the kids life.

Maybe you think they should take the easy way out?



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:26 PM
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You have a point unfortunately I have to balance the idea that she might be a good or even great government executive with the fact that she is not ready at all to be CIC, to some people foriegn affairs mean less that stateside issues, especially now that the economy is on the brink of recession if not already there.



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 03:30 PM
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I empathize, but let's not go there in this particular thread.



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