well its not quite as good as cheyneys daughter coming out the closet to embarass the religous republicans still funny all the same

What excatly do you find 'funny' about it?

Jemison

So would this be her first...or second child out of wedlock?

Yes I know she is marrying the father but I have no doubt her mother is pushing for that for her own political image.

None of this really matters to me because I know the perfect conservative family structure we see on display is far from the immaculate family values model we are scolded for not emulating. It is so hypocritical.

As much as they love to build up the opposite visage, conservative politicians usually end up secretly living out or in the liberal lifestyles they condemn. The facade is for the voters that want to believe in it.

If I ever look down and see a polished shoe slip under my stall and tap against my foot I won't be thinking "liberals" or "conservatives" but "humans".

- Lee

Sometimes it just seems as if it is too much to handle. I mean, this entire process is a joke. It is hard to make sense of who has done what. What with spin, counterspin, lie, repeat... eh, I jumped on her without thinking it through. I apologize.

Sorry I didn't acknowledge this the first time you said it. You have earned a great deal of respect in my eyes!

Jemison

Originally posted by Jay-in-AR
Guys, I did recant my positions. If you want to continue to degrade me for what I admitted was wrong, by all means.

Sometimes it just seems as if it is too much to handle. I mean, this entire process is a joke. It is hard to make sense of who has done what. What with spin, counterspin, lie, repeat... eh, I jumped on her without thinking it through. I apologize.

Props to you Jay. I understand your mixed feelings, and I feel them too. I don't know what or who to believe and it becomes so frustrating when I see truth, half-truths, and lies perpetrated by all sides within our government continuously.

I know it is also hard to admit we're wrong. I definitely recognize this admittance by you and accept your apology. Thanks for being truthful with your feelings.

Originally posted by lee anoma
So would this be her first...or second child out of wedlock?

Yes I know she is marrying the father but I have no doubt her mother is pushing for that for her own political image.

None of this really matters to me because I know the perfect conservative family structure we see on display is far from the immaculate family values model we are scolded for not emulating. It is so hypocritical.

As much as they love to build up the opposite visage, conservative politicians usually end up secretly living out or in the liberal lifestyles they condemn. The facade is for the voters that want to believe in it.

If I ever look down and see a polished shoe slip under my stall and tap against my foot I won't be thinking "liberals" or "conservatives" but "humans".

- Lee

First, trig was born 4 months ago and Bristol is currently 5 months pregnant. It would have been impossible for her to have had Trig.

Originally posted by yeti101
well its not quite as good as cheyneys daughter coming out the closet to embarass the religous republicans still funny all the same.

Yeti, What exactly is funny about it? The fact that something as private as a family issue (pregnancy, illness, etc...) gets played out in the press? Is that funny?

Or is it funny that the Palins probably knew well in advance there was a high probability of their 5th child being born wtih a birth defect and tried to keep a personal matter private?

Or do you find it funny that faced with this fact, the Palins decided to give the gift of life, when so many "pro-choicers" would most definately have chosen abortion to avoid the challenge?

I've got a sense of humor as big as the all outdoors my friend, but help me to understand what is "funny" about any of it?

the thing i don't get is this, people claim her daughter was pregnant and had a child but she covered it up and this is supposed to be a smear campaign, yet her daughter actually being pregnant is announced to counteract that claim and everybody says shame on the liberals for dragging her daughter into it, and it now okay for her 17yo daughter to be up the stick.

thats classic spin, the truth is probably that her camp started the first rumour so that the family would come out looking like the victim when it was discovered her teenage daughter was an unmarried mother.

savvy.

i should just mention that i'm not from the us and don't have any particular political opinion on this, i think obamas probably better than mccain, but i'm don't really care that much.

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Originally posted by pieman
the thing i don't get is this, people claim her daughter was pregnant and had a child but she covered it up and this is supposed to be a smear campaign, yet her daughter actually being pregnant is announced to counteract that claim and everybody says shame on the liberals for dragging her daughter into it, and it now okay for her 17yo daughter to be up the stick.

thats classic spin, the truth is probably that her camp started the first rumour so that the family would come out looking like the victim when it was discovered her teenage daughter was an unmarried mother.

savvy.

i should just mention that i'm not from the us and don't have any particular political opinion on this, i think obamas probably better than mccain, but i'm don't really care that much.

[edit on 1-9-2008 by pieman]

Wow, if you genuinely feel this way, you are on the right website for sure! And so that this is not a one line post....

First of all, I'm a proud member of the Republican party and I am not 'embarrassed' by this.

Second, you seem to be implying that Palin is forcing her daughter to get married. How do you know that her daughter didn't make up her own mind about getting married before she even told her mother that she was pregnant?

Would you like this kind of talk going on about YOUR daughter? I think it's really sick and wrong.

Jemison

Here we go I am done I am not going to post any more on this issue,

I am left speechless, at some of the comments,

I give up, Spin away.

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Maybe you would have to live in the Bible Belt to get this. I think the daughter's pregnancy is going to upset the one group that Bush pandered to so much: the right wing, fundamentalist Christians. They think women should stay home and take care of the children and serve the husband. Now, the unwed daughter is pregnant?! Oh my!! They are going to accuse Palin of neglecting her family while being in office. That will be the reason why her daughter is pregnant.

Classic quote from a fundamentalist PHYSICIAN I worked with: "Hillary is just a full-blown lesbian. If she was a real woman, she'd be at home."

Disclaimer: This is NOT the way I think, but is not uncommon my area of Texas.

[edit on 1-9-2008 by Lookingup]

BUSTED!! OBAMA CAMP BEHIND PALIN SMEAR WEBSITES

GREAT FIND!!!! Thank you for the link!

Jemison

Originally posted by Lookingup
Maybe you would have to live in the Bible Belt to get this. I think the daughter's pregnancy is going to upset the one group that Bush pandered to so much: the right wing, fundamentalist Christians. They think women should stay home and take care of the children and serve the husband. Now, the unwed daughter is pregnant?! Oh my!! They are going to accuse Palin of neglecting her family while being in office. That will be the reason why her daughter is pregnant.

Classic quote from a fundamentalist PHYSICIAN I worked with: "Hillary is just a full-blown lesbian. If she was a real woman, she'd be at home."

Disclaimer: This is NOT the way I think, but is not uncommon my area of Texas.

I have heard versions this opinion alot here lately. I don't know your def. of fundamentalist Christians, but freinds I have who read the Bible, pray and regularly attend church would disagree. While this may have occurred 20 or 30 years ago, there has been a significant shift from judgement and condemnation to compassion and love. I only represent a tiny segment, I know, but thats how I see it.

Its easy to sit back and say you hypocrite and condemn some one for their failures. Yea, they may have preached agianst it and deserve the label, but what have you really accomplished?

It sure takes away any motivation to set a high goals and standards.

Something Aweful forums,

quote

So it's pretty clear that the Democratic Party (headed by Obama) aren't going to get their hands dirty with the same low blows and smear campaigns that the GOP will use. I propose that we change this, and start by focusing on Palin.

I propose we create an effective chain email with the following smear:

1. Palin's latest child was actually her daughter's (see the other LF thread).
2. Palin pretended the child was her own to hide a terrible secret.
3. The father of the child was her son.
3. a. This is why the child ended up with Down's Syndrome.
3. b. This is why her son shipped off to Iraq.

I'm not good at writing believably stupid smear letters, but LF is just brimming with talent, so let's get started.

Other smears (true or not) are welcome in this thread, as is evidence that contributes to making the emails more convincing.

Time to troll an election.

Edit: First Chain Letter


Teger posted:
The Truth about Palin!!

I just heard tonight about Mccain picking Palin and i was shocked!!!! I can't believe he'd do this to our party! Palin and her family are liars and sinners and I have proof. A few months ago I was visting my friend in anchorage, Katie, and she was telling me about this huge scandal with the governor (palin) that was being kept under wraps. Katie's mom is part of the cleaning crew that picsk up after Palin. ANyway, apparently, Palin's daughter SLEPT with her BROTHER (eww gross) and got pregnant. The mom was so ashamed she had to cover it up by claiming the baby was her own!!! Look at these pictures of her at 7 mos, heh, shes not 7 mos!! That's why the baby was born with Downs syndrome, God was punishing them for their incest. Then, palin shipped her OWN SON off to Iraq to make sure the word didn't get out.

I can 't believe people are thikning about supporting this awful woman!!!

Please, get the word out.

A Concerned Mother


Mail it out. We'll follow up with better-constructed letters later, and then start producing citations and sources once the whisper campaign gets going.

Edit: Someone else is thinking alike.


Barack Pwnbama posted:
FWD:FWD:FWD:FWD: ----V.P. Pick Palin Participates in Porno Production----

WARNING -- images in this email may offend the sensitive, please also do not let your kids see this FILTH


I am totally disgusted with John Mccain and the republican party... Just a few days ago Senator McCain picked the governor of Alaska Sarah Palin as his running mate. At first she seemed like a perfect pick for VP but it turns out she has hidden a dark secret from McCain!

Back in 1987 when she was just 23 years old, she participated (STARRED IN!!) a filthy PORNO MOVIE! Images in this EMAIL prove it! Less than a year after taking part in this horrible FILTH, this little TRAMP marries a man who has no knowledge of her REPULSIVE PAST!!!

John McCain has been hoodwinked by his choice of vice President! This raises some very serious questions about Sarah Palin and she needs to own up and tell the truth! Why should we trust a TRAMP who lied about her past to John McCain to act professionally as a V.P.??? John McCain has had the wool pulled over his eyes by Sarah Palin!!! Tell John McCain to get rid of her, we don't want a PORNO STAR in our White House!

If you do not believe this, please view the images attached to this email. WARNING do not let your children see this images, and delete them off of your computer as soon as you view them. This images were viewed and analyzed and enhanced by professionals, and they CONCLUDE without a doubt that this is Sarah Palin!

Palin, a porno STAR in our nation's white house? What message will this be sending your children?

qoutes from another forum, I don't know if I am allowed but here is just one of many

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