Palin on CNBC: We have billions of barrels of oil still sitting underground, page 1
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Topic started on 1-9-2008 @ 10:33 AM by MrdDstrbr
Palin on CNBC: Energy, Public Service and Role of VP


“More and more Americans are recognizing it is time to ramp up American supply of energy… More and more Americans are recognizing your sister state up in the artic in Alaska has these supplies. We have trillions of cubic feet of natural gas; we have billions of barrels of oil still sitting underground.”



reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 10:47 AM by beaverg
reply to post by mhc_70



There is nowhere to go with this because she's right. We have enough oil, gas, and coal within our borders to feed our need. All we have to do is lift bans and give away land.


reply posted on 1-9-2008 @ 10:48 AM by MrdDstrbr
reply to post by mhc_70



Well, the point being that the US loves to beat up the Middle East and use up their oil, meanwhile they have huge reserves sitting there untouched in Alaska, and other states. (North Dakota?)

And here we have the Republic VP candidate basically admitting it on TV!!

You're right though - if the US were to increase their own oil supplies, they wouldn't be able to rape and gouge people at the pumps any more


reply posted on 5-9-2008 @ 02:27 PM by WatchRider
Originally posted by MrdDstrbr
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post by mhc_70



Well, the point being that the US loves to beat up the Middle East and use up their oil, meanwhile they have huge reserves sitting there untouched in Alaska, and other states. (North Dakota?)

And here we have the Republic VP candidate basically admitting it on TV!!

You're right though - if the US were to increase their own oil supplies, they wouldn't be able to rape and gouge people at the pumps any more


I think if the US considers their prices high enough to bandy words like 'rape and gouge at the pumps' then you need to check out the price of fuel in the UK!


Keep your reserves until the SRHTF


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 04:53 AM by RFBurns
reply to post by otto2294



It is not a matter of Americans being addicted to oil..its big oil being addicted to 40+ billion dollar profits. Plain and simple.

And the politicians are in line to collect a nice share of those 40+ billion dollar profits.

To them, chipping away just 1 dollar of those profits is a big no-no.

The problem will never go away until you rid them of their nasty little habit.

Cheers!!!


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 06:25 AM by elysiumfire
Hi There,

I would say that the 'addiction to oil' is both ways, the investors take their continued profit, and the buyers at the pumps pay for that profit whilst feeding their part of the addiction. It's very much like a supply and (dependency) demand relationship of the drug pusher and user.

The only way out of this vicious circle is to change the dependency by changing the energy type of consumption. Opening up Alaska to consume the fossil fuels there is not the answer in the long term, but more of a short respite from the pressures - economically, environmentally, socially - that we are experiencing now world-wide.

We, as a species need to focus our technological efforts on developing cleaner and more efficient fuel sources, of which both the ingenuity and the technology has been around for many years, but suppressed. Water, for instance, can be used to power vehicles, and is probably the cleanest and cheapest form of power, but if we were to change to this form of energy consumption, the impact upon societies around the world would be extreme, it would compel us to rethink society and to rebuild and reshape it to accommodate the 'new' mindset.

Just as much as we are addicted to fossil fuel, we are also addicted to the pyramidial structure of political power, where those at the top of the pyramid derive the greater benefit, and profit from the belittled position of those underneath. That those at the top would want to maintain this status quo, goes without saying, but you cannot change the addiction that keeps them there, without changing the hold the suppliers have on the addicted.

Ultimately, it's about changing one's own mindset. It's about finding the reason within yourself to gain a conviction on the necessity for delivering oneself from one's own addiction. Whichever path one takes, or continues to tread, it is going to become a hard and rocky road. If we do not make the necessary changes, we as a civilisation will go the way of past civilisations into obscurity and extinction, of which there are many more roads than there are for our continuance.

Through mankind's addiction to fossil fuels, we have subconsciously adapted a mindset to the incremental approach of the devastating effects which are wrought from that addiction, environmental, economical, societal. We rationalize statistically what we can live with, what we can put up with: it is better to have a cold than to have the flu; it is better to have the flu than pneumonia; it is better to have pneumonia than cancer. At some point, the quality of life is so reduced that we even rationalize on euthanasia...that it is better to be dead than to live a life of famine and thirst, yet we condemn many to death for the sake of our addiction, through bogus wars derived from spurious reasons, but whose primary purpose to was snatch at the resources of another country, so that your government can feed your addiction, and make a profit along the way.

Opening up Alaska will not save you from what is inevitable; more impactful environmental destruction, resource wars, political and social unrest. If the supplier is not willing to change, then the addicted needs to deliver themselves from the addiction...how that is to be achieved is what the debate is all about, that is what needs discussing.

Best wishes

Now and Then:
Much better idea would be to find ways to ditch oil all together, short sharp shock would be best - like a drug addict kicking the drugs. Necessity is the mother of invention.


Quite agree. Minds thinking alike here.

[edit on 7/9/08 by elysiumfire]


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 10:40 AM by mhc_70
Originally posted by elysiumfire
Hi There,

The only way out of this vicious circle is to change the dependency by changing the energy type of consumption. Opening up Alaska to consume the fossil fuels there is not the answer in the long term, but more of a short respite from the pressures - economically, environmentally, socially - that we are experiencing now world-wide.

We, as a species need to focus our technological efforts on developing cleaner and more efficient fuel sources, of which both the ingenuity and the technology has been around for many years, but suppressed. Water, for instance, can be used to power vehicles, and is probably the cleanest and cheapest form of power, but if we were to change to this form of energy consumption, the impact upon societies around the world would be extreme, it would compel us to rethink society and to rebuild and reshape it to accommodate the 'new' mindset.


Agree, but what do you suppose we do? Just allow the prices to go through the roof until we find a new source of abundant, clean energy? No, begin tapping into the resources we have along with investing into R&D of new a new clean and abundant energy source. There will always be a need for petroleum products, hopefully, soon, energy won't be one of them.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
Just as much as we are addicted to fossil fuel, we are also addicted to the pyramidial structure of political power, where those at the top of the pyramid derive the greater benefit, and profit from the belittled position of those underneath. That those at the top would want to maintain this status quo, goes without saying, but you cannot change the addiction that keeps them there, without changing the hold the suppliers have on the addicted.

Ultimately, it's about changing one's own mindset. It's about finding the reason within yourself to gain a conviction on the necessity for delivering oneself from one's own addiction. Whichever path one takes, or continues to tread, it is going to become a hard and rocky road. If we do not make the necessary changes, we as a civilisation will go the way of past civilisations into obscurity and extinction, of which there are many more roads than there are for our continuance.




Thats what I like about McCain. He has displayed the fortitude to stand up to other politicians and put his career on the line to do what he feels is right.

Palin is an everyday mother who has been in politics for a few years, but not really long enough to shape her opinions like the beauraucrats in Washington. She has also showed a willingness to stand up against corruption.

Originally posted by elysiumfire
Opening up Alaska will not save you from what is inevitable; more impactful environmental destruction, resource wars, political and social unrest. If the supplier is not willing to change, then the addicted needs to deliver themselves from the addiction...how that is to be achieved is what the debate is all about, that is what needs discussing.

Best wishes


No it won't, but it will lower prices, create jobs and remove one of 1 the 2 biggest restraints on the economy and allow us a minimun of 10 years to develop new technology and force the beauraucrats to stop lining there pockets with money from big oil..


reply posted on 7-9-2008 @ 11:35 AM by jtma508
In a simpleton's world they think they can 'drill their way out of this'. They can't. Not one credible source has come forward saying that domestic drilling will resolve this problem. But, as usual, it's the most simplistic answer on the surface so people gobble it up.

The fact is --- both Democrats and Republicans --- are beholden to their oil company masters. They are in their positions to protect thos companies' profits. We had a huge problem related to foreign oil in the 70's oil crisis --- gas lines, rationing, the whole enchilada. Did government do anything about it? Did they drill more? Build more refineries? Develop alternatives? Anything? Nope. 30+ years and they did sh*t --- as usual. 5 Republican and 2 1/2 Democratic Presidential terms and they did jack sh*t about the energy/oil issue after the biggest wake-up call in history.

Imagine what alternatives we could have developed in 30+ years. That is, if the players involved were truly interested in American energy security and independence as opposed to just profits. Sadly but non unexpectedly history has proven that profits win out every time. This whole drill and save the country argument is as vacuous now as it was when it started. It's propagandist BS.

Remember the whole Tamiflu stampede? Do you people seriously believe that Roche was unaware of its limited effectiveness? But they managed to 'push' the government to buy-up millions of (now virtually useless) doses.

The Oil Industry Motto:
"Corporate profits first, America whenever"
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