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Originally posted by jackinthebox
But what if I don't believe in a Supreme Being at all? That the multi-verse just is. Or if I find the question of a Supreme Being to be moot, and that I really don't care one way or the other?
Originally posted by jackinthebox
I very much appreciate the replies so far. Freemasonry is a topic of interest to me, but it is hard to discuss in most threads without jumping on one bandwagon or the other.
I will keep this short for the moment, and return when I am in a place where I can make thoughtful replies. Hopefully later tonight.
Thanks again.
Originally posted by scientist
I struggle with this concept myself. One of the keys to being part of the fraternity, is not discussing politics and religion and for good cause! It seems that comments in this very thread imply the validity of one god over another (grasshoppers don't count?)
[edit on 1-9-2008 by scientist]
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
No, one needs to have that 'belief in a Supreme Being' key to become a member of the fraternity.
In regards to religion, it's enough to know that your fellow Mason believes in a Supreme Being that will reward virtue and punish vice, a notion at the very centre of all the world's major religions. What greater good is served by getting into a urinating match over whose method brings one closer to the Supreme Being?
Originally posted by scientist
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
No, one needs to have that 'belief in a Supreme Being' key to become a member of the fraternity.
are you sure? I am under the very heavy impression that it is mandatory to believe in a superior being to be part of Masonry. In fact, it is asked at key moments, where do you place your trust. That trust is placed with god, is it not?
Originally posted by scientist
Originally posted by Fitzgibbon
In regards to religion, it's enough to know that your fellow Mason believes in a Supreme Being that will reward virtue and punish vice, a notion at the very centre of all the world's major religions. What greater good is served by getting into a urinating match over whose method brings one closer to the Supreme Being?
I absolutely agree, and I also recognize (and again agree) with not allowing the discussion of personal religion in lodge.. although it seems a bit awkward when I am asked why I haven't joined York Rite, which forces the issue of a Christian god to be brought up.
I think, personally, that if you don't believe in a benevolent God you wouldn't really get much out of freemasonry.
From what I have seen the Luciferians and Satanists seem to be more into personal or self-gain. (Not speaking for them, just an observation)
An atheist wouldn't even want to apply for membership simply because a lot of the teachings assume a belief in God and they are framed that way.
I think an Agnostic would be very confused.
I just think a non-believer would probably either be bored or offended and wouldn't like it anyway.