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Can Religion cure Homosexuality/Porn addiction?

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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 09:36 PM
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Hello, I'd like to start a topic discussing the religious-based programs that are supposed to cure homosexuality and, to a lesser degree, pornography addiction.

These programs raise my hackles, first of all because they appear to me to be a predatory offshoot of the self-help culture, posing a quick-fix to people who in this case may or may not have a problem. It's like a "Get Straight Now!" pill.

And as I touched upon in the previous paragraph, it's up for debate in the first place whether these two things are wrong in the first place.

At this point I will clarify that someone with a sex addiction may need some assistance--but that that problem can affect both genders, and is not contingent on sexual orientation. Likewise someone who has a full-blown porn addiction needs help, but that doesn't mean that (non kiddy) porn is in itself wrong.

Anything can be addictive, but I don't beleive that religious organizations have any business poking their nose into this arena. The people who enroll in these programs should either be living their lives, or seeking psyciatric help if their "problem" has hindered their lives somehow.

At best these programs, I think, teach the person who has a legitimate problem to supress that--which is not helpful in the end, because it doesn't get to the core of their issue in the first place. It's like the emotional eater who has her stomach stapled, but then turns to drinking or smoking to fill the void, because her pain is still there.

Some of you may feel differently, though. Let's discuss.




posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 09:41 PM
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Religion is highly addictive and often dangerous. Homosexuality is neither!


www.abovetopsecret.com...

Porn, as always, is a toss up!


[edit on 8/31/2008 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by asmeone2
 


Religion is highly addictive and often dangerous. Homosexuality is neither!


www.abovetopsecret.com...



I dont' think that it is, either. I'm only relating the viewpoint of these groups that attempt to "Change" one's sexual orientation.

I theorize that they know it can't be changed, but push the opposite, so they can guilt people into coming back to these programs.

Instead of saying "I'm gay, and that's okay," they say, "YOu need a meeting!"



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:08 PM
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True, shame and guilt are powerful weapons to fear filled minds.
Religion often takes root within those minds and groups are formed. Big fearful groups with egos and dogmas trying to change/help other groups.
Then wars, then smaller groups, loop to infinity...



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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It also slices, and dices! For alimited time offer, you'll recive free rosaries with each conversion!
Look, I have no problem at all with the folks who are homosexual, and what they decide to do with their lives is up to them.
But... I dunno. Some of it's just to make the people doubt themselves, it seems.
I still get a kick out of the messages about "It's a test by God for them! (Refering to the homosexuals)"
Interestingly enough, the people causing most of the strife? The same ones telling them it's their test.
Seems to me, if God wanted to test people, he'd be doing it by making folks different. Not by making them all the same. Maybe it's more a test of the religiouse, and tolerance.
But eh, what do i know.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by asmeone2
 


True, shame and guilt are powerful weapons to fear filled minds.
Religion often takes root within those minds and groups are formed. Big fearful groups with egos and dogmas trying to change/help other groups.
Then wars, then smaller groups, loop to infinity...


Granted, but I want to discuss religion specifically in the context of curing homosexuality in this present day and age... there's already a bajillion threads about what they've done in the past.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:18 PM
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Just wanted to point out that the title said "religion" not God or Christianity. So it is difficult to be specific in my response.



[edit on 8/31/2008 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:22 PM
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I was involved in a conversation with a couple of people, that were involved in a church in Richardson Texas, that had an outreach group for gay Christians. They were sure that through prayer, they could become heterosexual. A year or two later, I asked about their progress, and he told me that it was pretty successful. Well, I asked, are any of them involved in a relationship with people of the opposite sex. He said no, the ones that have been successful are practicing celibacy. _javascript:icon('
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posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:25 PM
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Well I'm not religious what so ever but I've been convince for some time that homosexuality is a dissorder but please don't twist my words. It seems to me that physical attraction is based on pheromones and body chemistry. I think that any attraction to the same sex goes against the predisposition that we inherit by the means of DNA. ie. the Y chromosome will posture our body chem towards being attracted to females and X to men.

So if a same sex attraction arrises, it appears that there is a chemical imbalance and is thus a dissorder. Now I'll admit there are two guys I know which I am attracted to but If I'm looking at dirty mags then for sure, they have nude ladies in them.

I also believe that the concept of mind over matter gives us a power over our own chem to a degree, which is why I think that with the right conditions "Homosexuality cure" programs could work.

The typical "gay" is a person who deciedes (or doesn't think to) to live with it.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:27 PM
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If it is a test from GOd, then they have no business trying to thwart God's plan by changing these people.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:28 PM
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Ah, well, I took it for granted that most people would assume Christianity... I said religion, though, because I was thinking of the AA model that just says surrender to a higher power, or something like that, and isn't specific to any one religion.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by hypervigilant
I was involved in a conversation with a couple of people, that were involved in a church in Richardson Texas, that had an outreach group for gay Christians. They were sure that through prayer, they could become heterosexual. A year or two later, I asked about their progress, and he told me that it was pretty successful. Well, I asked, are any of them involved in a relationship with people of the opposite sex. He said no, the ones that have been successful are practicing celibacy. _javascript:icon('
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That is very interesting.

While celibacy is a valid choice, I would wonder if the program really "worked" since the process is to turn them into functional heterosexuals? I would think that if we say homsexuality is wrong because it doens't produce kids, the same is true for celibacy.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by Good Wolf
Well I'm not religious what so ever but I've been convince for some time that homosexuality is a dissorder but please don't twist my words. It seems to me that physical attraction is based on pheromones and body chemistry. I think that any attraction to the same sex goes against the predisposition that we inherit by the means of DNA. ie. the Y chromosome will posture our body chem towards being attracted to females and X to men.

So if a same sex attraction arrises, it appears that there is a chemical imbalance and is thus a dissorder. Now I'll admit there are two guys I know which I am attracted to but If I'm looking at dirty mags then for sure, they have nude ladies in them.

I also believe that the concept of mind over matter gives us a power over our own chem to a degree, which is why I think that with the right conditions "Homosexuality cure" programs could work.

The typical "gay" is a person who deciedes (or doesn't think to) to live with it.


I see where you are going with that, and would agree to some extent.

I think this is more true for transgendered people--instead of looking at it as a moral issue, i wish we could call it a birth defect, help the affected, and get on with our lives.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:45 PM
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Religion can't cure anything. People can't help what turns them on or who they are attracted to. If these things go against their spirtual beliefs, then they need to either accept it or utilize thier beliefs to help them. I know a few people who have overcome an addiction to porn through prayer and controling what they think about.

Most so called "turn straight" programs can not change homosexuals into hetrosexuals. The best they can offer is celibacy. I am not in the habit of determining annother's spiritual condition. My spirituality is between me and God. I like to offer others the same respect.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 10:49 PM
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Well at the end of the day, we can share a soul mate relationship with anyone.


Since males are typically attracted to females and vise versa, people who are elsewhere on the spectrum of attraction aren't morally wrong, just not typical.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by asmeone2
Hello, I'd like to start a topic discussing the religious-based programs that are supposed to cure homosexuality and, to a lesser degree, pornography addiction.

These programs raise my hackles, first of all because they appear to me to be a predatory offshoot of the self-help culture, posing a quick-fix to people who in this case may or may not have a problem. It's like a "Get Straight Now!" pill.

And as I touched upon in the previous paragraph, it's up for debate in the first place whether these two things are wrong in the first place.

At this point I will clarify that someone with a sex addiction may need some assistance--but that that problem can affect both genders, and is not contingent on sexual orientation. Likewise someone who has a full-blown porn addiction needs help, but that doesn't mean that (non kiddy) porn is in itself wrong.

Anything can be addictive, but I don't beleive that religious organizations have any business poking their nose into this arena. The people who enroll in these programs should either be living their lives, or seeking psyciatric help if their "problem" has hindered their lives somehow.

At best these programs, I think, teach the person who has a legitimate problem to supress that--which is not helpful in the end, because it doesn't get to the core of their issue in the first place. It's like the emotional eater who has her stomach stapled, but then turns to drinking or smoking to fill the void, because her pain is still there.

Some of you may feel differently, though. Let's discuss.


I believe porn is wrong, for a few reasons.

The first is that it creates disunity between married couples, it cheepens the experience of first time sex either partner have been viewing eye candy. I have seen many instances where a guy in a relationship is addicted to porn (nothing illegal) so that he prefers porn to having sex with his wife.

I am speaking as a former porn addict, i regret to say, and i overcame my addiction through what you would wrongly classify as religion. God hates religion, because in religion, it means that the people are good enough to work themselves out of their sins. If we were good enough to do that, then we wouldn't need God.

The world would be a better place without pornography on the internet, or anywhere.



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Good Wolf
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Well at the end of the day, we can share a soul mate relationship with anyone.


Since males are typically attracted to females and vise versa, people who are elsewhere on the spectrum of attraction aren't morally wrong, just not typical.


I disagree. We were build for a relationship with the opposite sex.

Your right, it isn't typical. Why do you think that a gay man starts to behave like a woman more, or that a lesbian's voice deepens?

It is because chemicals in their brain change from what they were, what they should be, and change into something wrong.

I once made an xbox into a server to host files online with, was it made to do that? No, but can it work as one? Yes.

Thats what it comes down to, we aren't designed to be homosexual (even if your an evolutionist, its all about procreation right? too bad you can't have kids that way).



posted on Aug, 31 2008 @ 11:42 PM
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Well from the view of an evolutionist, your summoning a deeper more complicated discussion.

With understanding and science coupled with desire, humans have affectively surpassed the mechanics of evolution. To put this point into context of the topic: dadadadd dada.....

Sperm banks!!


[edit on 8/31/2008 by Good Wolf]



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 12:33 AM
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Originally posted by Bob Sholtz

I disagree. We were build for a relationship with the opposite sex.

Your right, it isn't typical. Why do you think that a gay man starts to behave like a woman more, or that a lesbian's voice deepens?

It is because chemicals in their brain change from what they were, what they should be, and change into something wrong.

Thats what it comes down to, we aren't designed to be homosexual (even if your an evolutionist, its all about procreation right? too bad you can't have kids that way).


These are very generalised comments Bob.

How man gay people do you know?

I disagree with you completely that being gay changes the chemical wiring in the brain to make gay person act more like the opposite sex

I have spent many years living in the eastern suburbs of Sydney, Australia and it is considered to be one of the gay capitals of the world. So as a resident you meet lots and lots of gay people.

If I put you in a room with these people Bob, you you would never be able to tell they where gay.

The stereotypical "camp poof" and the "butch dyke" are around, but they are out numbered by the gay community that are just regular Joe's and Jane's.

Also, consider this?

Why does the male "G" spot exist?

Male G-Spot

Homosexuality is not something that can be cured.

Homosexuality is not a disease.

It is simply a sexual preference.

Edit - addition of info


[edit on 1/9/08 by Horza]



posted on Sep, 1 2008 @ 12:52 AM
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Religion is what has defined both of these as wrong. Who the *snip* cares if two ppl of the same gender want to uh, do whatever it is they want to do? Their arrangement, their business.

As far as porn, that too is a personal matter btw those who were involved in the making of the film and those who are sitting at home viewing it.

People really should tend to their business and quit trying to impose their morals onto everyone else.


I have always thought that if ppl are so against same gender sex, they should just let them get married. General rule is, marriage kills that urge pretty damn quickly in male/female relationships.
(guess in that sense, keeping them from getting married, religion tends to fuel the fire, eh? hehe)

[edit on 1-9-2008 by justamomma]



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